Number: 426 Date: 31-Mar-84 15':27':16 Submitter: Sannella.PA Source: Willie-Sue.pa Subject: Formatting info should not be included in messages Lisp Version: Description: ' Date': 26 Mar 84 09':33':41 PST' From': Willie-Sue.pa' Subject': "Send formated message" in Lafite' To': Masinter' Cc': Willie-Sue' ' Since I don''t who to ask this question of, who is in charge of Lafite? It is better to send formatting info as a separate item rather than as part of the message itself.' ' -----' ' Date': Fri, 6 Apr 84 10':23':56 PST' From': Putz.pa' Subject': TEdit format messages': yuchh!' To': LafiteSupport' cc': MessageSystemImplementors^' Format': not TEdit' ' Grapevine items of type 1010B are supposed to contain a "human-readable textual message." I don''t consider "<TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN <bTIMESROMAN <)TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN < TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN <TIMESROMAN <oTIMESROMAN | z7" particularly human-readable.' ' Grapevine has a perfectly good mechanism for sending formatting and other information along with a textual message. Walnut and Fillet both use additional Grapevine items to encode formatting information. Lafite is not being a very good Grapevine citizen.' ' -- Steve' ' -----' ' Date': 6 Apr 84 11':00 PST' From': vanMelle.pa' Subject': Re': TEdit format messages': yuchh!' In-reply-to': Putz.pa''s message of Fri, 6 Apr 84 10':23':56 PST' To': Putz.pa' cc': TEditSupport, LafiteSupport.pa, MessageSystemImplementors^.pa' ' We quite agree. Putting the formatting info in a separate grapevine item is on the task list. Don''t know how soon it will happen, though.' ' Bill' -----' ' Date': 13 Aug 84 16':45 PDT' From': vanMelle.pa' Subject': Re': Lisp': TEDIT Formatting info shouldn''t be included in text of message' In-reply-to': Sybalsky.pa''s message of 7 Aug 84 11':33 PDT' To': Sybalsky.pa' cc': MASINTER.PA, LispSupport.PA, TEditSupport.PA, vanMelle.PA' ' This was undocumented last I looked; I had to look at the source of COERCETEXTOBJ to discover it.' ' I have a few more comments on same (partly in regard to my trying to use it for NS mail) I will send when I get my wits back together.' ' Bill' ' -----' ' Date': 15 Aug 84 14':03 PDT' From': JonL.pa' Subject': Re': Lisp': TEDIT Formatting info shouldn''t be included in text of message' In-reply-to': vanMelle.pa''s message of 13 Aug 84 16':45 PDT' To': vanMelle.pa' cc': Sybalsky.pa, MASINTER.PA, LispSupport.PA, TEditSupport.PA' ' [notes from a random conversation I had with Jim Donahue, at the Lisp onference last week].' ' Donahue claims there is a "block" notion for grapevine mail, such that all formatting information should go in a second block. The arpa gateway is smart enough to flush it; I guess even "dumb" Xerox mail readers are smart enough not to ask for the second "block" unless they know about formatting.' ' -- JonL --' ' ' ' Workaround: Test Case: Edit-By: Sannella.PA Edit-Date: 16-Aug-84 15':47':31 Attn: vanMelle.pa Assigned To: In/By: Disposition: System: Text Subsystem: Lafite Machine: Disk: Microcode Version: Memory Size: File Server: Server Software Version: Difficulty: Moderate Frequency: Intermittent Impact: Annoying Priority: Perhaps Status: Open Problem Type: Design - UI Source Files: