Number: 822

Date: 24-Apr-84 13':55':09

Submitter: JFung.pasa

Source: JFung.pasa

Subject: Cryptic file syntax when talking to Vax/DEI file server.

Lisp Version: 

Description: When using Install Tool to talk to Vax servers, the file syntax is like [Server]Directory>SubDir>FileName.sys'
Note the missing left angle bracket is necessary, else some kind of error message will result (I cant remember the error message) I am documenting this so one will not forget.'
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Date': 28 Apr 84 14':25 PST'
From': Kiewiet.pasa'
Subject': Re': AR 822': Cryptic file syntax when talking to Vax/DEI file server.'
In-reply-to': JFung.pasa''s message of 24 Apr 84 14':00':37 PST (Tuesday)'
To': JFung.pasa'
cc': Le.pasa, LispSupport.pa, 1100Support.pasa, PYoung.pasa'
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While at Boeing, I could talk to Vax as follows':'
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{atadfile1':}<lispcourse>l.kiewiet>class.sysout'
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I did this to retrieve the sysout for training.'
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(or have I misunderstood your AR?)'
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lorraine'
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Date': Mon, 30 Apr 84 10':49 PDT'
From': PYoung.pasa'
Subject': Re': AR 822': Cryptic file syntax when talking to Vax/DEI file server.'
In-reply-to': "Kiewiet''s message of 28 Apr 84 14':25 PST"'
To': Kiewiet'
cc': JFung, Le, LispSupport.pa, 1100Support, PYoung'
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I''m sure you understood the AR but from the file specification'
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 {atadfile1':}<lispcourse>l.kiewiet>class.sysout'
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I see that you were retrieving the sysout from Boeing''s NS file server.'
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Phil'
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Date': 30 Apr 84 09':49 PDT'
From': Kiewiet.pasa'
Subject': Re': AR 822': Cryptic file syntax when talking to Vax/DEI file server.'
In-reply-to': JFung.pasa''s message of 24 Apr 84 14':00':37 PST (Tuesday)'
To': JFung.pasa'
cc': Le.pasa, LispSupport.pa, 1100Support.pasa, PYoung.pasa'
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Sorry, I goofed in my response on 28 April.'
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The sysout was moved from the Vax to their NS.  We were addressing the Vax to retrieve the sysout and files we had loaded from DLion to NS to Vax to Dolphin for class.  To do this, we used the %[ %] .'
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(a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. hope I didn''t waste too much of anyone''s time.)'
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Lorraine'
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Date': 30 Apr 84 10':12':45 PDT (Monday)'
From': JFung.pasa'
Subject': Re': AR 822': Cryptic file syntax when talking to Vax/DEI file server.'
In-reply-to': Kiewiet''s message of 30 Apr 84 09':49 PDT'
To': Kiewiet'
cc': JFung, Le, LispSupport.pa, 1100Support, PYoung'
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No, your info are nevertheless appreicated.  As right now, Phil is going to get the packet trace again from DEI, and I was only trying to document the prolbem and let people aware so they will not get shocked when they try to use the VAX and discovered it failed.'
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I''ll confirm with other users site see whether they encounter similar problems or not.  Thanks still lorraine.'
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Date': 30 Apr 84 10':57':32 PDT (Monday)'
From': JFung.pasa'
Subject': Re': InstallLispTool now talks to Unix.'
In-reply-to': SCHMIDT''s message of Fri, 27 Apr 84 16':40':04 PST'
To': Christopher Schmidt <SCHMIDT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>'
cc': JFung, desRivieres.PA, LispSupport.PA, Sheil.PA, Kaplan.pa, vanMelle.pa, PYoung, 1100Support, Pahlavan '
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Christopher,'
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In a lot of cases, I think, identifying the bug is a longer process and it is only after the problem is identified, then fixes come easy.  In this case, you contributed greatly to help us identifying the problem, and then Bill Norwicki provided the fix.  I just want you to deserve the credit you entitled.'
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Now, I have another question to ask. (hope you dont mind.)  On your using the InstallLispTool to talk to TOPS-20 and Unix, do you have any problem of specifying the file name, i.e. did you follow the syntax as [server]<directory>Subdirectory>filename.sys(out)?  We have encountered a "cryptic" syntax when tlaking to another Vax server, I am just trying to find out you whether the same problem is occuring on these two implementations?  Thanks.'
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/Jerry'


Workaround: 

Test Case: 

Edit-By: JFung.pasa

Edit-Date: 21-May-84 16':07':25

Attn: JFung/DEI

Assigned To: 

In/By: 

Disposition: 	The story is DEI claims to accept both angle brackets or none.  However, in using the Pilot''s File Tool, DEI rejects even both angle brackets are specified, but will accept if both square brackets are used instaed.  This is because the VMS''s file pathname is like [Directory.Subdirectory]fileName.ext  The VMS uses square brackets instaed of the angle brackets.  The LIT has been changed to strip out both angle brackets when talking to any PUP implementations. '
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I''ve asked Christopher Schmidt at Sumex to confirm the new workaround will indeed work on DEC 2060 PUP implementation.  And he tried without the left angle bracket and it worked.'


System: Communications

Subsystem: PUP Protocols

Machine: 1108

Disk: 

Microcode Version: 

Memory Size: 

File Server: VAX/VMS - 10Mb

Server Software Version: 

Difficulty: Hard

Frequency: Everytime

Impact: Annoying

Priority: Unlikely

Status: Fixed

Problem Type: Design - Impl

Source Files: