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Usenet Mac Digest          Wednesday, 21 May 1986      Volume 2 : Issue 40

Today's Topics:
     HELP!  with HyperMac+
     Re: Modula-2 for Macintosh (commercial-MacMETH)
     Word Tools
     Experience with 512K -> Mac+ upgrade.
     Lightspeed C and Ram disk
     Re: right to left word processing
     Re: Lightspeed C and Ram disk
     remember those Verbatim refunds?
     Mac output on HP LaserJet?
     SCSI pronunciation query
     System Update for Fokker Triplane?
     LW 3.0 is very slow printing A4-sized documents
     icon in buttons (My solution)
     Re: MacAuthor_review (long)
     Anybody know of a good general ledger program?
     MS-Basic on Mac+
     Interrupts on the Mac
     Bad Bundle Bombs Finder
     Re: Finder tip
     Lightspeed C Bugs
     Mac News and Rumors
     New 512 without new ROM
     Printing on a LaserWriter
     Traveling with my Mac
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From: seth@ucla-cs.ARPA (Seth Goldman)
Subject: HELP!  with HyperMac+
Date: 14 May 86 17:46:49 GMT
Organization: UCLA CS Department

I finally got my 512k Mac w/ Hyperdrive 20 upgraded to a HyperMac+
and things aren't so great.  The upgrade was done in two stages,
first, the hyper stuff was pulled out of my mac and I had just a 
macplus.  So far so good, everything worked fine.  Yesterday I
had the hyperdrive upgrade installed (along with a replacement 
for the hard disk which had died) and now certain types of desk
accessories will not run.  In fact, they crash the system with error 3.

The situation is this:  any desk accessory that tries to open a window
when launched bombs.  Desk accessories which add a menu entry to the
menu bar and don't do anything until you select something from the
menu seem to work just fine.  An example of the latter is Extras.

None of the Apple das work at all, they all crash my machine.

I've tried using old versions of the system, booting off floppies, etc.

Does anybody out there have a clue as to what is going on?  Did my
dealer fry some location in the new roms when he installed my hyperdrive?
When I first got the mac home, I was able to use the alarm clock DA to
set the time but when I tried to open the control panel, the mac crashed.
Since then I get the above described behavior.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

						Seth Goldman
ARPA:   seth@LOCUS.UCLA.EDU
UUCP:   ...!{ihnp4,cepu,trwspp,sdcrdcf,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!seth
USMail: A.I. Lab, 3531 Boelter Hall, UCLA, Los Angeles, CA  90024  
MaBell: (213) 825-5199

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From: jhk@cs1.UUCP (Joe Kwan)
Subject: Re: Modula-2 for Macintosh (commercial-MacMETH)
Date: 15 May 86 18:24:21 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ, Northridge Comp Sci Dept

I called the Modula Corporation today about the compiler.  They're
only distributing it and are not supporting it (I suppose they do
forward bug reports to ETH).  Anyways, I found out that Processes were
not implemented and that the system does tend to crash ocassionally.
Does anyone know if there are plans to implement processes and also if
HFS will be supported?  The current release (3rd edition of the
compiler), will run on a MacPlus, but requires that all the files be
in one folder.  The Macintosh ToolBox is also supported through CODE
procedure calls.

-- 
Joe Kwan, Calif State Univ, Northridge Computer Science Department
uucp: {sdcrdcf, litvax, ihnp4, hplabs, ttidca, psivax, csustan}!csun!cs1!jhk
BITNET: RGFYJHK@CALSTATE   ARPANET: RGFYJHK%CALSTATE.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
USMail: CSUN, Computer Science Department, Northridge, CA  91330

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From: dlt@csun.UUCP (Dave Thompson)
Subject: Word Tools
Date: 16 May 86 14:37:44 GMT
Organization: California State University, Northridge

In the June 86 edition of Mac User on pg. 103, there is an ad for a product
called Word Tools that will purportedly help keep or make us appear literate.
(Some days it's not easy.)  The ad either stated or inferred that by the time
we read their ad Word Tools would be available.  After excitedly calling
Aegis, it appears that it is another case of vapour ware.  There is no
shipping date as yet.  But they were kind enough to take my name for their
mailing list--at least they didn't want to take my money for a promise to
deliver some time in the future (I learned the hard way that you DON'T do
this ...).  It really sounds like a good product.  It would be nice if they
merged in a super-dooper word processor as well--but I guess they want to
catch all the MacWrite/Word users out there.  One can only wait. (* SIGH *)

-- 
--------------------
Dave Thompson		     uucp:   {ihnp4 | hplabs | psivax}!csun!dlt
CSUN Computer Center
Northridge, CA 91330

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From: waltervj@dartvax.UUCP (walter jeffries)
Subject: Experience with 512K -> Mac+ upgrade.
Date: 17 May 86 04:45:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I've now had my Mac+ upgrade for two weeks.  When I was debating getting it
I was worried about the reports of the analogue board failures associated with
upgrades. (I got both diskdrive/ROM and 1MB memory upgrade)  It has now been
running continuously for about two weeks (I never turn it off as they run best
in steady state).  Interestingly it is running noticeably *cooler* with 1MB 
than it was with only 512KB of memory.  I have also had no problem with the 
programer's switch which I use a fair bit...
Thought those of you considering an upgrade might be interested in hearing
some good news...
    Ain't it great leading a charmed life...
          -Walter.

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From: shaun@sauron.OZ (Shaun ARundell)
Subject: Lightspeed C and Ram disk
Date: 19 May 86 06:25:34 GMT
Organization: Gould Electronics, CSD, Sydney, Australia

I am using Lightspeed C on a standard duel 400k disk
fat mac. I have been trying to work out what is best to
put on a ram disk. The system and finder or Lightspeed
itself and some libaries ?. Anybody figured out a good
solution.

		Thanks in Advance



     \XX	Shaun  Arundell		ARPA: munnari!sauron.oz!shaun@SEISMO
      \X	Technical Support	UUCP: seismo!munnari!sauron.oz!shaun
XXXXX  \XXXX    GOULD COMPUTERS		ACS:  shaun@sauron.oz
XXXXX  /XXXX   
      /X 	Telephone	        STD:  (02) 957-2522
     /XX            			ISD: +61 2 957-2522 

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From: 6036792@pucc.BITNET (Kenneth Menken)
Subject: Re: right to left word processing
Date: 18 May 86 06:11:18 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Computing Center

Someone recently phoned me recently asking for help converting exactly this
sort of DA to work on a MAC+ (she had it working fine on a 512).
Unfortunately, following the phone call she never showed up in person
with the program.  So as far as I know, she doesn't have it on a Mac+ yet,
and I don't have it at all.  Anyone wanting more information should send
me mail... maybe I'll get something soon.
 
The Davka corporation of Chicago produces a word processing program that
goes in both directions, in the same file, or even in the same paragraph.
It's $199, $149 for education-type people.  Maybe it's worth it?
 
Ken Menken
Princeton U.
 
Few universities have ever cared about (much less agreed with) the views
expressed by their students.

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From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois)
Subject: Re: Lightspeed C and Ram disk
Date: 19 May 86 17:58:11 GMT
Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center

I've been wondering this myself.  Lightspeed doesn't run at all with
itself and a system in the ramdisk.  It doesn't do much with just itself
in the ramdisk (couldn't compile anything without running out of memory).
I (currently) put a system, a minifinder, and MacTraps in the ramdisk
(just over 100K).  The minifinder is set to show only a minifinder (you
do this by installing one, then selecting it and installing another one).
Boot this disk.  Click the minifinder "Drive" button until you get Ramdisk,
then double-click the minifinder.  This makes the mac forget about the system
on the boot disk and use the one in the ram disk.  Eject the boot disk.
On another disk I keep Lightspeed, and all the standard #include libraries,
and still have a fair amount of room.

Since the boot disk is ejected and the system is in the ram disk, I can
still put a data disk in one of the drives.  If I run a program on another
disk that has a system on it, I can still run the ramdisk Minifinder
to reinitialize the ramdisk system.

It seems to me that it would be better to leave MacTraps on the disk
with Lightspeed in it and use some space in the ramdisk for *part*
of Lightspeed.  My idea - which I haven't got around to trying - is
to move some of Lightspeed's CODE resources into the system that gets
put on the ramdisk and delete them from the Lightspeed application.
Would this work - or does the segment loader only load CODEs that
actually come from the executing application?  If it would work, this
would be a way of getting part of Lightspeed to speed up (virtually
instantaneous swapping of the hacked segments) and still having enough
memory to do something useful...

-- 
                                                                    |
Paul DuBois     {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois        --+--
                                                                    |
Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings              |
toward the south?                        Job 39:26

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From: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig)
Subject: remember those Verbatim refunds?
Date: 19 May 86 20:44:38 GMT
Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas

Remember, Verbatim had those "impressive" refund incentives around the end
of '85, beginning of '86? something like $5 for buying 1 box, $10 for 2,
or another box for buying 2 (or was it 3?)

  Well, if you are like me and many others around here,
you bought several boxes of disks, mailed off for the refund, and never heard
of the matter again.  I was just recently reminded of this when someone
commented that he had received the wrong disks and called them to get that
rectified.  Others had never received anything, and an informal count indicated
that only about 50% of those that mailed for refunds ever received anything.

Seems as if the company (Clearing-house) handling this promotion for Verbatim
couldn't handle the traffic for one reason or another, and simply dropped
a lot of requests "on the floor"

The fix: call Verbatim at 1-800-538-8589 and complain.  A lady named Sandy
	Austin promised me to have a Barbara Andrews (in charge of such matters)
	look into the matter and get back to me.  From what I hear, this will
	get you your refund.  Of course, can hardly remember when and how
	much I sent off for, but I know that I am waiting for, at least,
	2 boxes.

Given that Verbatims are the most trouble to use double-sided (lots won't
format) I am tempted to use them as bookstops and paper-weights when/if they
ever get here.

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From: cordy@qucis.UUCP (Jim Cordy)
Subject: Mac output on HP LaserJet?
Date: 15 May 86 04:30:11 GMT
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario

Does anyone out there have a way to output Macintosh postscript files,
as from MacWrite, on an HP LaserJet laser printer connected to a
Vax?  Any advice on how to proceed?

Jim Cordy
Queen's University at Kingston

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From: slj@mtung.UUCP (Steven Jones)
Subject: SCSI pronunciation query
Date: 19 May 86 14:55:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T ISL Holmdel NJ USA

I read that, as a rule, people in the Apple world tend to pronounce
SCSI as "sexy" while people in the IBM world say "scuzzy."  From
observation, it appears people in the AT&T world also say "scuzzy."

I think SEXY beats SCUZZY, but I don't want to fight an uphill
battle against a de-facto "standard."  My question is whether this
is in fact a standard (yet).

There are four categories 1A, 1B, 2A, and 2B where 1=use "SCUZZY"
2=use "SEXY" and A=prefer "SCUZZY" B=prefer "SEXY."  Please send
me email telling me which of these categories you belong in, and
if your "use" and "prefer" choices aren't the same, please also
indicate whether you believe the "standard" is already too weighty
to oppose successfully.

As usual, if there is sufficient response, I will summarize the
responses and post to the net...  Thanks in advance.
-- 
Free Luna,           "This is my private life/I've got no
S. Luke Jones        friends to fear/I've got no problems/
...ihnp4!mtung!slj   No cross to bear/If you can find me/
                     Come and get me out of here."

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From: hamachi@KIM.BERKELEY.EDU (Gordon Hamachi)
Subject: System Update for Fokker Triplane?
Date: 19 May 86 16:33:03 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

Although Fokker Triplane runs on a Mac Plus, it comes on a disk with an
old finder v4.2 and old system (v?).  I would like to use it with a newer
finder/system.

Does anyone know if Fokker Triplane works with the new finder/system?  I
can't experiment with a copy, because Fokker Triplane is protected beyond
the capabilities of MacClone 2.0 and CopyToMac 4.0.

I'm also worried about making backups.  Can anyone tell me how to do this?
I am a legitimate owner of the program!  Fokker Triplane doesn't even use
the "master disk" system, so the only copy you can use is the original.

--Gordon Hamachi

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From: sakw@cvaxa.UUCP (Sak Wathanasin)
Subject: LW 3.0 is very slow printing A4-sized documents
Date: 16 May 86 15:39:09 GMT
Organization: Univ of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, UK

I've just installed System 3.1.1, Finder 5.2 and LW 3.0. The last now supports
A4-sized paper correctly, but it is very slow when printing. The MacWrite
document I'm printing is plain text, nothing fancy and is set in Times Roman
only, and takes several minutes a page to print. If, however, I change to US
letter size, it speeds up enormously - at least three times as fast and
probably more. It's like the difference between going for a cup of coffee and
going for lunch.

What gives? Have I left something out of my system file? Do I need a MacW
update? (I fell into the trap of using the old Font/DA Mover when I first
installed the new System, but I've now replaced all the fonts in my System
using the new Font/DA Mover.)

Thanks in advance for any help,

Sak
-- 
Sak Wathanasin, U of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, Falmer, Sussex BN1 9QN, UK
uucp:  ...mcvax!ukc!cvaxa!sakw
arpa:  sakw%cvaxa.sussex.ac.uk@ucl.cs.ac.uk
janet: sakw@uk.ac.sussex.cvaxa

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From: phil@sivax.UUCP (Phil Hunt)
Subject: icon in buttons (My solution)
Date: 19 May 86 19:11:31 GMT
Organization: System Industries, Milpitas, Ca

I did the following to get icons in buttons  (In case anyone else was 
wondering how to do it VERY EASILY):

I defined icon resources in RESEDIT 1.0D12 that contained the ICON wanted
AND a button-looking box around them.

I then defined using RESEDIT, a dialog with the edit items referencing these
icons, marking them ENABLED.

When DRAWDIALOG or GETNEWDIALOG comes up, it automatically loads these icons
in the positions on the screen I want, and because of my boxes I put in them,
they look like buttons.  Since they are enabled (MODALDIALOG or DIALOGSELECT) 
will return their edit item numbers when clicked.

They do not highlight, but I do a keyclick type approach to tell the user they\
were activated.

Phil Hunt

PS.  Microsoft Fortran does not allow access to UserFilter Functions yet, so
the suggestions I recieved about using them are appreciated, but unavailable
to me.  Thanks for all the mail (Escpecially from APPLE) on solutions.

It is nice to know that we all look out for each other and can come to each
other's rescue on a problem.

Phil Hunt

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From: gijs@ark.UUCP (Gijs Mos)
Subject: Re: MacAuthor_review (long)
Date: 17 May 86 21:55:30 GMT
Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam

I tried MacAuthor 1.0. It failed 5 times while working on the first page.
Three regular bombs and two "unexplained errors". The program will be
fun to use.. when the bugs are gone.
-- 
Gijs Mos

EUNET:    gijs@vu44  ({seismo,philabs,decvax}!mcvax!vu44!gijs)
BITNET:   u00131@hasara5
MAIL:     Gijs Mos
          Vrije Universiteit
          Biologisch Lab.
          De Boelelaan 1087
          1081 HV  Amsterdam
PHONE:    +31 20 5485705

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From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois)
Subject: Anybody know of a good general ledger program?
Date: 20 May 86 20:09:42 GMT
Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center

I have a friend who has need of software for general ledger work.
Anybody have recommendations?  (That includes recommendations of
programs to stay away from!)

Thanks.

-- 
Paul DuBois     UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois    |
                ARPA: dubois@easter                               --+--
                                                                    |
Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings              |
toward the south?                        Job 39:26

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From: horst@rochester.ARPA (Horst Greilich)
Subject: MS-Basic on Mac+
Date: 20 May 86 15:35:46 GMT
Organization: U of Rochester, CS Dept., Rochester, NY

I am developing software for the Mac under Microsoft-Basic(b)V2.1 using
128K and old 512K Macs. Has anybody encountered 'strange behavior' with
MS-Basic V2.1 or the MS-Basic run-time interpreter V2.1 on a Mac+ or a
new 512K? Everything seemed to work fine for the few times that I have
tested my programs.

Horst Greilich  <horst@ROCHESTER.ARPA>

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From: tgia@ur-tut.UUCP (Tony Giaccone)
Subject: Interrupts on the Mac
Date: 20 May 86 23:04:20 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Rochester Computing Center

Hi folks,

I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help me with a problem I'm 
having. I'm trying to bypass the serial driver and work directly with the SCC.
To this end I've written code which will allow me to read and write directly to
the SCC. I can send data out or receive it at any baud rate as long as I poll 
the SCC. Now I want to be able to use interrupts to drive my code.  However, 
I can't seem to get the interrupts to act the way I think they do, so there 
must be something I'm missing. First I'll explain how I think this mess works 
and then I'll describe what happens when I execute my code.

As I understand it there are seven levels of interrupts on the 68000.
The SCC will interrupt using vector 2. When a level 2 interrupt occurs
the PC is loaded with the value at location $68. The code which is
executed then determines why the SCC interrupted the processor and
does a jsr to a value located in the Lvl2DT table. A displacement of
24 bytes into this table holds the address of the code to be called if
a character has been received on port a. As I understand it all i
should have to do is load that table with the address of my code and
set up the SCC to interrupt on receive character available.

Here's how things work now. I have TMON installed, so that I can stop the 
execution of my code at any point. In order to catch the interrupts that I'm 
interested in I replace the level 2 and 3 interrupt vectors at locations $68 
and $6c to point to my code. All my code does is jmp to the locations that 
were originally in those two vectors. I do this so that I can set break 
points at the jumps, so that every time a level 2 or 3 interrupt occurs I 
fall into TMON. I know this works because every time I move the mouse I drop
into TMON. However, when I send a character to the modem port my Mac hangs up. 
I'm at a loss to understand why this happens, any help would be appreciated.
If anyone has a section of code that does what I need that would be great.


				Thanks
					Tony Giaccone

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From: ephraim@wang.UUCP (pri=8 Ephraim Vishniac x76659 ms1459)
Subject: Bad Bundle Bombs Finder
Date: 19 May 86 13:56:36 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA

1. Does your application bundle refer to non-existent resources?
2. Does your Mac bomb when you boot with your application disk?
3. Does the Finder gasp and choke when you try to copy the file?

An acquaintance was complaining of (2) and (3); I discovered this
weekend that (1) was the cause.  When the Finder encounters a "new"
application with the bundle bit set, it copies the bundle resource
and the resources it refers to into the Desktop.  If a referenced
resource is non-existent, the Finder sets its ID to -1 in the Desktop
copy of the bundle.  It then proceeds, at least some of the time,
to assume that the "-1" is a legitimate resource ID.  The initial
encounter doesn't seem to cause much trouble, but copying and
booting often end in bombs.

The reason for the bad bundle was a misunderstanding.  The resource
counts in the bundle are actually count - 1.  (For example, zero
means one.)  If you insist on putting the actual count in, you'll
have bogus references in your bundle.

I had a lot of trouble with the 3d-plotting application that came
over the net about a month back - attempting to copy it after
unpacking consistently made my MacXL freeze solid.  I gave up after
a couple of tries, but I now I wonder...

Ephraim Vishniac
decvax!wanginst!wang!ephraim

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From: ephraim@wang.UUCP (pri=8 Ephraim Vishniac x76659 ms1459)
Subject: Re: Finder tip
Date: 19 May 86 18:38:54 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA

Actually, it's easier than that.  If the disk or folder on which the
items are located is visible, just drag them straight there, then 
choose the new view.  No need for an intermediate stop on the Desktop,
nor use of "Put Away."

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From: hamachi@KIM.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP
Subject: Lightspeed C Bugs
Date: 20 May 86 07:13:54 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

Two points about bugs in lightspeed c:

1.  Please disassemble and post the buggy object code--it would be very
    educational.

2.  Does anyone know what Think Technology's policy is on updates?  I
    wrote to them to ask but all they did in response was to send me
    their standard sales blurb.  Do they actually read their mail?

--Gordon Hamachi

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From: rjs@trwrb.UUCP
Subject: Mac News and Rumors
Date: 20 May 86 04:47:00 GMT
Organization: TRW EDS, Redondo Beach, CA

>From 19 May 86 Infoworld:

o  Apple is close to finishing its "open" Mac and may begin beta
testing the machine within 60 days.  Prototype boards are already being
tested as are large-screen monitors.  Engineering models have used
12-inch monitors.  Sources also say Flat Mac is still alive and could
be delivered as early as 1987.

The two Macs may benefit from Andy Hertzfeld's Servant, a replacement
for the Finder.  Sources say Apple has given its systems development
team 60 days to come up with an alternative to Servant, which may allow
limited multitasking.  Andy was supposedly paid over $100,000 by Apple
for Servant.

o  Monogram will drop copy protection from all versions of Dollars and
Sense.  Current users can upgrade to the new version for $39.95.

Standard disclaimers apply.

"Well done is better than well said."

               --Benjamin Franklin

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From: zabetia@princeton.UUCP (Mahboud Zabetia)
Subject: New 512 without new ROM
Date: 21 May 86 07:18:17 GMT
Organization: Princeton University EECS Dept

A friend of mine bought a 512 Mac just recently.  About a week ago the
mac began crashing every so often.  At first we thought it had to do
with her disks, but I have ruled that one out.

The conditions under which it crashes are varied, but the one I have noticed
most is when you quit an application or say eject(in the finder) and it bombs
with an error #10.

I ran a memory test and everything seems fine.  My suspicions lie with the disk
drive, since the crashes occur when the disk is being accessed.

Anybody know what the problem might be?

Thanx in advance,
-Mahboud Zabetian
...!princeton!zabetia

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From: merchant@dartvax.UUCP (Peter Merchant)
Subject: Printing on a LaserWriter
Date: 20 May 86 19:16:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I'm using TML Pascal and I'm trying to print on a LaserWriter.  It works fine,
but when it's done PrPicFile returns a -192 (on a call to PrError).

-192 is a Resource Manager error of "Resource Not Found."

Now, it works.  It prints.  I'm just wondering what this error is about.
--
"Stop this feeling.                                Peter Merchant
 Make it go away."

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From: dch@dartvax.UUCP (David Huth)
Subject: Traveling with my Mac
Date: 20 May 86 20:03:15 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

  Now my question is on traveling with my Mac.  Has anyone had experience
taking their Mac to England?  Beyond the step-down transformer and adaptors,
what else will I need?  Does anyone have any good recommendations for these
power-related things (I've heard horror stories of people who have toasted
their Macs all across Europe..ugly!)  I remember reading an article in Macworld
about some sort of....hmmm what was the word....Carnets...that one should
buy before leaving the US to avoid paying a hefty customns deposit upon
entering a foreign country.  What's the real scoop on these?
  Is it worth it for me to buy one of these and cart my Mac to the UK
or should I just take *all* my notes by hand and wait till I get back
to work them into my Mac

 David Huth
  [dch@dartmouth.edu]

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