26-Mar-86 01:29:07-PST,28696;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from RED.RUTGERS.EDU by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Wed 26 Mar 86 01:27:50-PST Date: 21 Mar 86 12:21:04 EST From: Jeffrey Shulman Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #16 To: Usenet-Digest-List: ; Message-ID: <12192506960.43.SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Usenet Mac Digest Friday, 21 Mar 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: Administrativia - Replying to digest messages Profile, SCSI Books in your future Macintosh Programmer's Workstation? MAC SCSI drivers Re: Bulletin Boards Macintosh Hard Drives Jerky screen problem Tilde for MacTerminal 2.0 Question on QuickDraw pictures Re: Jerky screen problem 100 MB Harddisk Appletalk to RS232 interface (Mac as a workstation). MacPascal question Macintosh disk upgrade Re: Jerky screen problem Re: text reader? Re: SmallTalk on a Mac+ Re: Mac+ Upgrades ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Shulman, moderator Subject: Administrativia - Replying to digest messages Date: 21 Mar 86 12:05:00 EST If you wish to reply to messages in this digest you should send your reply to INFO-MAC@SUMEX. If you mail it to me it gets included in the next Usenet Mac Digest which Usenetter's do not get, thus miss out on your reply. ------------------------------ From: aubery@oracle.UUCP (Eric aubery) Subject: Profile, SCSI Date: 16 Mar 86 18:31:26 GMT Organization: Oracle, Belmont Ca Does anyone know if there's a way to use Profile drives with a (non-XL) Mac? Anyone out there have a MacSCSI that would like to write about it? I'm interested in trying a "do it yourself" type project to connect (cheap) (large) disks to the Mac using SCSI. Anyone care to comment? Thanks -eric (No fancy signature line yet) ------------------------------ From: chuq@sun.uucp (Chuq Von Rospach) Subject: Books in your future Date: 17 Mar 86 06:21:31 GMT Organization: Third Person, Omniscient This is a list of the books I could find in the January 31, 1986 issue of Publishers Weekly, the Spring Announcement section. It's been culled over the last couple of weeks from about 500 pages of mostly tiny type, so if it is something that you find useful, I'd appreciate it if you would mail me your comments -- if enough people find this kind of list worthwhile and I have the time, I'll try to compile them in the future. A couple of interesting comments are in order: o Despite its relative failure in the market, there are a bunch of Jazz books coming out --- it looks like the publishers got caught in the same trap as Lotus and are hoping to break even instead of simply eating the contracts. I'd expect some of the announced books will either never show or come and go out of print quickly. o Excel publishing is REALLY heating up. And it's probably justified. There is a wide variety of Excel related products, and most of them seem to be of the practical nature (unlike a lot of the "the mac is really NEAT" books in the early days of Mac publishing). I expect it is already too late to get into this market since it will saturate soon -- if you don't already have your contract, don't bother. o I am beginning to think that the languages market (especially C and Pascal) are beginning to saturate. There are some GOOD C books out now, and better pascal books than the language they use (either defunct Lisa Pascal or ratty MacPascal). A good TML Pascal book would be a Godsend, and I'm starting to see some Forth books come out. If we could get a good, solid Lisp for the Mac, a Lisp book would be wonderful. A GOOD assembler book would also be useful, but the two or three I've see have been average, at best. o no real books on the Mac+ yet, but expect that some of the later books (Like Lon Poole's) to be revised to some degree between now and then to include it. Expect the Mac+ deluge to really start showing up in July/August for the publishers with the ability to respond quickly (yes, six months is fast in publishing) and late in the year for the hangers on. o Everyone is jumping on the Desktop (or Personal) Publishing bandwagon. I expect this is where all the "Hey, this is neat stuff!" hack authors have gone into. Be VERY wary buying in this market segment -- definitely buyer beware. o How many books do we REALLY need that explain how to plug a modem into a Mac? chuq === Publishers Spring Macintosh related books (books to expect between February and August) Format: title, author/editor last name(s) [if greater than three, first author followed by et al], price, and published ship date. Notes: o books have been known to show up from 3-4 weeks before announced month to end last week of the month. Sometimes later. Sometimes not at all. o if no ship date shown, it should be available now. Addison Wesley Apple Numerics Manual, $29.95 Lotus Worksheet File Formats: Essential Data File Facts About 1-2-3, Symphony, and Jazz, $19.95 LaserWrite It!, Cavuoto, $16.95 The Cornerstone Book, 20 Blueprints for Applications, Buddine, $16.95 Imagewriter II Technical Reference manual, $19.95, April Solutions in C, Programming Tips by the Author of "Doctor C's Pointers", Jarschke, $17.95, June Computer Animation, Weinstock, $34.95 trade paper, July Balantine Trade Paperbacks Creating Simulation Games on your Computer, Hartnell, $14.95, May Bantam Trade Books Macintosh C Primer Plus, The Waite Group, $18.95 The Art of Desktop Publishing: Using the Personal Computer to Publish it Yourself, Bove et al, $18.95, July Chilton Book Company Chilton's Guide to Macintosh Repair and Maintenance, Williams, $12.50, April Dow Jones-Irwin Dynamics of Jazz, Bell, $19.95 Desktop Publishing, Davis et al, $25.00 Controlling Your Cash Flow with Jazz and the Macintosh, Glau, $22.00 Dynamics of Microsoft Word, Macintosh Edition, Pfaffenberger, $19.95 Hayden Book Company Programming the 68000: Macintosh Assembly Language. Rosenzweig and Harrison, $24.95 Object Oriented Programming, Schmucker, $24.95, April Macintosh Data Files, Miller, $17.95, May Personal Publishing with the Macintosh, Ulick, $19.95, May The Serious Macintosh: Tips, Tricks, and Advice for Advanced Users, Harriman and Callica, $17.95, June Writing Macintosh Software, Knaster, $19.95, June Advanced Macintosh Pascal, Goodman, $19.95, July Macintosh Communications, Dengle, $18.95, July Inside Jazz, Macintosh Library/National Training systems, $49.95 [book/software] Henry Holt and Company/ Owl Books How to Telecommunicate: A Personal Computer Users Guide, Sandler, $17.95, June Hal Leonard Books Music & Midi: The Application of MIDI in Performance, Education, and Home Use, Rudolph et al, $14.95, April Microsoft Press Microsoft Excel With Macros, Hergert, $19.95, June Programmers at Work: Interviews with 15 of Today's Most Brilliant Microcomputer Programmers, $14.95, April Lon Poole's Mac Insights: Secrets, Shortcuts, and Solutions for the Apple Macintosh, Poole, $18.95, August The Algorithmic Image: Graphic Visions of the Computer Age, Rivlin, $24.95, July New American Library Jazz Reference Guide, Warren and Spoor, $18.95 Lotus Jazz: Models for Financial and Business Users, Lichty, $18.95 Library of Forth Routines, Kelly et al, $22.95 Software Spare Parts: C Language Routines and Utilities, Porter, $19.50 Osborne/McGraw Hill Business Solving with Excel, Molloy et al, $17.95, March Planning and Budgeting with Excel, Alves et al, $17.95, April Planning Big with MacProject, Halcomb, $16.95, May Preparing Your Business Plan with Excel, Osgood et al, $17.95, May Que Books Excel Macro Library, April Using Excel Sams Books Artificial Intelligence Programming on the Macintosh, Shafer, $24.95 C Programming Techniques for Macintosh, Shilke, $18.95, april MacPascal Programming Techniques, Cassidy, $18.95, June Microcomputer Projects with the 68000, Barden, $22.95, June John Wiley and Sons JCL for IBM VSE Systems: A Self Teaching Guide, Ashley et al, $12.95 Excel: A Power User's Guide, Hodgkins, $19.95 Macintosh Logo: A Self Teaching Guide, Haigh and Radford, $18.95, May Mac Basic, a Self Teaching Guide, Finkel and Brown, $16.95, July -- :From catacombs of Castle Tarot: Chuq Von Rospach chuq@sun.ARPA FidoNet: 125/84 CompuServe: 73317,635 {decwrl,decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,pyramid,seismo,ucbvax}!sun!chuq I used to worry about splitting my infinitives until I realized that most people had never heard of them. ------------------------------ From: sakw@cvaxa.UUCP (Sak Wathanasin) Subject: Macintosh Programmer's Workstation? Date: 17 Mar 86 20:31:13 GMT Organization: Univ of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, UK I got these from a UK bulletin board called MacTel. I'm posting them here as I haven't seen any discussion of this topic on the net. ---------------from MacTel---------- Message : 406 Submitted: 3/10/86 12:10 Submitted by: FELIX KAEGI Subject: Future Macs Following two interesting news item from an American BBS, I hope you enjoy them: 95C Macintosh Programmer's Workstation >From: BOB DENNY 334 When: 4:41p Sat, 11-Jan-86 I just got back from Apple, having delivered the firqt installment of the work we are doing for them. While there, I saw the evaluation version of MPW, Macintosh Programmer's Workstation. There has been little discussion about MPW on this board, so I thought you all would like to know: Languages: Pascal (Lisa - compatible) C (by Green Hills in Pasadena, VERY nice & optimized) Assembler (the assembler is dynamite at first inspection I didn't see the edito (nuts!) The linker handles a mixture of the languages, and is reasonbly good about segmentation etc. I don't think the linker handles resources, however, and I didn't see what the new "RMAKER" looked like. The documentation was about 4" thick, very "finished" looking, not like Inside Mac. >From: BOB DENNY 334 When: 4:48p Sat, 11-Jan-86 This is even more exciting ... I can now say a little about Mac Work Station. This is a "generic" application what runs on the Mac, and a library of functions designed to run under Unix or VAX/VMS which implement a fantastic array of functions with which the host can use the Mac as a high-power user-interface work station. This baby is developed to the "product" stage (well ... almost), there are special binders and tabs, and a platic packet of diskettes, plus the host tape. ThE Host-Mac protocol is slowly being formalized, and it MAY be published soon. Apple is currently deciding how to position this as a product and market it. I just completed an adaptation of VAX Mail which speaks MWS protocol. It's dynamite! Running a VAX application with a Mac interface! Wheeeeeeee!!! (and they paid me, too!). Having seen UW in action, I can't wait to see MPW. regards, -- Sak Wathanasin, U of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, Falmer, Sussex BN1 9QN, UK uucp:...mcvax!ukc!cvaxa!sakw arpa/janet: sakw%uk.ac.sussex.cvaxa@uk.ac.ucl.cs ------------------------------ From: mark@hyper.UUCP (Mark Mendel) Subject: MAC SCSI drivers Date: 14 Mar 86 20:21:19 GMT Organization: Network Systems Corp., Mpls., Mn. Soon I will be upgrading to the MAC+ and my lust will be redirected towards a hard disk. However, is Apple releasing a driver for the new SCSI port? I have heard no mention of such. Or are they leaving it to the manufacturers of HDs for MAC to supply a driver? Seems to me that the only thing making their products Mac-specific would be such a driver. The other required software would be a SCSI disk initializer, which would query the disk size and allow partitioning and cluster-size specification. Does such a beast exist? Respond by mail. I'll summarize. Mark Mendel @ Network Systems Corporation ------------------------------ From: ngg@bridge2.UUCP (Norman Goodger) Subject: Re: Bulletin Boards Date: 15 Mar 86 21:45:00 GMT Organization: Bridge Communications, Inc., Mountain View, Ca Bruce, they are currently 3 Bulletin board software packages available for the Macintosh, they are: 1. Mouse Exchange 2. Beta Board (requires MS Basic) 3. Red Ryder Host Of the 3, I reccommend only Red Ryder Host for the following reasons: Mouse Exchange From Dreams of Phoenix is HIGHLY unreliable, I ran that package for 3 months with a least a crash a week, usually destructive, it would either delete the contents of the callerlog or in some cases the password file or some file of the BBS that you would not want to lose. The Beta Board requires Ms basic and for this reason is slow and has a lot of sub-files to load to move from section to section of the BBS. Red Ryder Host is not perfect, but is in my opinion the most powerful of the three. It is from the Freesoft Company and Scott Watson. It is a true BBs construction set. you can build all your menus to your specification, they can say what ever you wish. You can create a many menus as you need to create a BBS as large as you want. there are 255 security levels, with the ability to tie them to your menu commands. This provide users access only to what menus you want certain users to see depending on what access you give them. You can create as many file transfer sections as you need or only have one if you want. there are editors for File section maintanence, message section maintanenece, Userlog maintanence, and of course the menu editor to construct all your menus. Messages sections also you can create as many or as few as you want to maintain. All messages are compressed, taking less file space. There is also a configuration editor that sets up overall parameters for the BBS; like what volume does the caller log go to, what will the callerlog contain, such as logging the uploads/downloads users send, and other items that are sysop selectable. It configures open or closed system; in other words , do you set it up for specific user, no new users. It configures paging times bell length, system message options etc. the system provides 3 configurable messages to the user on login, you can use all or none, its up to you. you can even configure themif you wish all in all its pretty good and powerful package. it difficult to go into all the features here. This should hopefully be enough. Norm Goodger Bridge Comm Bridge2!ngg ------------------------------ From: steves@kepler.UUCP (Steve Schlich) Subject: Macintosh Hard Drives Date: 18 Mar 86 23:08:03 GMT Organization: MicroPro Int'l Corp., San Rafael, CA I'm looking at hard disks for my Mac Plus and would welcome any and all advice I can get. Is it worth waiting to see what possibilities the SCSI port has? Assuming that speed is an important criterion, is there *any* advantage to an external drive (like MacBottom and HD-20) over the internal ones (like Hyperdrive and Warp 9)? I'm particularly interested in a relative merits comparison between Hyperdrive and Warp 9. You can mail me or post follow-ups; I'll keep track and post results to the net either way. Thanks in advance. -- You've got to start young if you're going to stick it out. --Firesign Theater Steve Schlich, MicroPro Product Development {lll-crg,ihnp4!ptsfa,dual,well,pyramid}!micropro!kepler!steves ------------------------------ From: osmigo1@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ron Morgan) Subject: Jerky screen problem Date: 19 Mar 86 16:56:14 GMT Organization: Speech Communication UT Austin *I've been having a problem with my mac, and wondered if any of you could offer some opinions. The past three days, my screen has been "twitching." The movement is chara- cterized by shifting in one direction and then back, "waves" passing through the text, as if I were looking through a clear gel which wobbled from time to time. When it's at its worst, I see jagged edges running up and down the sides of the display, often connected across the screen by lines. All of these events are fairly quick. They last from about .2 to .4 seconds. Factors: About a month ago, I got a third-party upgrade which involved a board swap. The cost was $150.00. The last few days, a roofing crew has been working on the roof of my apartment building. This mac has been on an average of probably 12-16 hours a day for 2 years. It is kept covered when not in use. Could I be getting power supply problems? Thanks in advance, Ron Morgan osmigo1@ut-ngp.UUCP ------------------------------ From: jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler) Subject: Tilde for MacTerminal 2.0 Date: 20 Mar 86 05:02:00 GMT Organization: AMD, Sunnyvale, California I saw a few people ask again about how to make the '~' key easy to use on MacTerminal 2.0, so I'll describe the process again: 1. Use ResEdit (I think any version, but 0.7 and up for sure) 2. Open MacTerminal 2.0 3. Open KICH 4. Open KICH ID=256 5. Look for the following sequence: 1B 60 1B 7E 1B 60 1B 7E 1B 60 1B 7E 1B 60 1B 7E 6. Replace it with: 1B 60 7E 7E 1B 60 7E 7E 7E 60 7E 7E 7E 60 7E 7E 7. Close KICH ID=256 8. Close KICH 9. Close and save MacTerminal 2.0 The ~/` key now will work as follows: alone -> ESC SHIFT -> ~ CAPSLOCK -> ESC COMMAND -> ` Have fun. -- Jim Budler Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (408) 749-5806 Usenet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amdcad!jimb Compuserve: 72415,1200 ------------------------------ From: dubois@uwmacc.UUCP (Paul DuBois) Subject: Question on QuickDraw pictures Date: 20 Mar 86 22:05:17 GMT Organization: UW-Madison Primate Center Is it possible to accurately erase a QuickDraw picture? This is not (I think) as simple a question as it sounds. When you call OpenPicture, you pass a rectangle which is used as a picture frame. However, it is not used as a frame in the sense of a bounds rect, that is, as "a boundary outside of which no drawing can be done", since you can draw anywhere you like and it will show up when you replay the picture. It *is* used for scaling on playback, e.g., if you call DrawPicture with the picture handle, and a rectangle with sides twice as long as the picture frame, the resulting picture will be 4 times as big as the original (2x2). Thus you cannot simply EraseRect with the rectangle passed to DrawPicture since you don't really know the bounds of the picture. Nor can you draw the picture, then draw it again after setting the pen to xor mode (I tried it). I also tried bracketing all the drawing calls during picture formation with picture comments, then installing my own capture proc for picture comments, and setting the pen mode during picture playback. That didn't work either. Of course, in retrospect I now realize that these attempts were tremendously naive, but I'm still curious. Can it be done? How do you do it, (short of installing capture procs to intercept every single QuickDraw call during picture playback)? -- | Paul DuBois {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois --+-- | Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings | toward the south? Job 39:26 ------------------------------ From: spector@acf4.UUCP (David HM Spector) Subject: Re: Jerky screen problem Date: 20 Mar 86 12:53:00 GMT Organization: New York University Sounds like your power supply the ("Analog Board") is getting a little flakey. Mine did that for a little while before it fried my Macintosh. ...Thank G-d for AppleCare. Dave Spector NYU/acf Systems Group ------------------------------ From: harder@unizh.UUCP Subject: 100 MB Harddisk Date: 20 Mar 86 02:03:12 GMT Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Univ. Zuerich, Switzerland I have the job to change a library (about 100 000 volumes) to computer administration. This produces a lot of data, but not much computing. Therefore i think that i can do the job with a macintosh connected to a large (> 100 MB) harddisk. We need a formal catalogue (author, title and institution {in alphabetical order }) and a systematic subject catalogue. Some questions to the net: -Has someone experience with similar applications. -Has someone experience with large harddisks (> 100 MB) and the macintosh (access time, brand, scsi interface ...) -Does anybody know appropriate data management systems ( amount of data, for example omnis3 B, facilities for input control...) Thanks in advance, if there is interest , i'll report a summary to the net. August Harder ------------------------------ From: johnd@kvvax4.UUCP (John Dibble) Subject: Appletalk to RS232 interface (Mac as a workstation). Date: 19 Mar 86 09:28:15 GMT Organization: Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, P.O. 25, N-3601 Norway. I am looking for a prevoiusly posted program called ATprint (modem to AT port). Could someone out there mail me a copy (the source would also be much appreciated)? I am working on a generic workstation based on the mac toolbox and I am looking for a quick solution for using ATP via the modem port. Has anyone done anything similar? John Dibble ({decvax,philabs}!mcvax!kvport!kvvax4!johnd) A/S Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, P.O.Box 25, N-3601 Kongsberg ------------------------------ From: m55al@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Deepak Munjal) Subject: MacPascal question Date: 20 Mar 86 21:24:55 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley I've got MacPascal and I'm trying to make a key command that halts the program when its running. I've tried Hertzfeld's Menu Editor, but it doesn't seem to work with MacPascal. But even if it did, I wouldn't be able to make a key command for halt because the menu that has the halt command only appears when the program is running. Any ideas to remedy this situation would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ From: ching@amd.UUCP (Mike Ching) Subject: Macintosh disk upgrade Date: 20 Mar 86 21:07:10 GMT Organization: AMD Applications, Santa Clara, CA Has anyone discovered a drive that can be used to upgrade the external Macintosh drive? Apple hasn't announced any upgrade policy and I don't care to purchase a $100 drive for $500 or whatever the external drive costs these days. I have seen Epson, Toshiba and Tamagawa? 3.5" double sided drives for <$100. The Epson says it has a 5.25" drive interface. The others have no documentation. Is there a standard 3.5" drive interface? Thanks in advance for any info. Mike Ching ...amdcad!ching ------------------------------ From: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) Subject: Re: Jerky screen problem Date: 21 Mar 86 11:55:11 GMT Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas Anyone with this symptom should check and adjust the 5 and 9 Volt voltage level coming off the analog board. As a matter of fact, everyone should do that, just for peace of mind. This is especially important after an upgrade to 512K or to Megabytes. My Mickey "acted up" after I upgraded to 2Meg and when I checked, my 5 Volt level at the plug where the ribbon-cable coming from the main board connects into the analog board, showed only 4.3 Volts. >From what I have seen, *EVERYONE* should check (have someone check) and adjust all settings on the analog board right after purchase and anytime the machine is open and had not been checked for a while. Of course, if you are still in warranty or if you are not absolutely sure what you are doing, I encourage you to pay the few bucks this might cost you to have a certified Apple tech do this for you. On the other hand, I myself don't really have much trust and confidence in the "run of the mill" (lawyer, doctor, car-mechanic) technicians, but at least you can sue them (maybe), whereas you can't even kick yourself in the rear effectively.... ((-: below I enclose a list of the pin-assignments of the ribbon-cable connecting the analog board with the digital (main) board (copied from Beck-Tech's poster-schematics) PIN ASSIGNMENT 1 VIDEO 3 H SYNC 4 SOUND 5 V SYNC 6 +5V DC 7 GND 8 -12V DC 9 GND 10 +12V DC 11 BATTERY I hope this helps, ---Werner Disclaimers: YES - ALL ------------------------------ From: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) Subject: Re: text reader? Date: 21 Mar 86 12:53:38 GMT Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas [ condensed from INFOWORLD Vol.8#11, March 17, 86, page 48: Products ] Abaton Sells Scan For $2,495 Abaton Technology Corp. has recently begun shipping Scan 3000, its new $2,495 scanner with 300-dot-per-inch (dpi) resolution. Users can scan continuous tone photographs or line art and drawings up to 8.5 inches wide. The resulting images can be placed into documents and reproduced on page printers. .... Users can take parts of an image scanned at 300 dpi, transfer them to programs such as MacPaint for manipulation and adjustment, and then reload them into Scan 300 software for printing .... Abaton is currently developing optical character recognition software that the company plans to offer as an option .... for IBMs in ~ 2 months .. for Macs in ~6 months ... Abaton Technology Corp., 1526 Cloverfield Blvd., Santa Monica CA 90404 (818)905-9399 [ I realize that this product is more expensive than desirable, but I thought it interesting anyway. Maybe this is the next product showing up in places now offering Laserwriters on a per-page price. ---Werner ] ------------------------------ From: Herb Barad Subject: Re: SmallTalk on a Mac+ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 86 10:28:00 pst Organization: U. of So. Calif., Los Angeles Yes, I am running SmallTalk on a Mac+. Everything seems to work fine - with 1 major exception. You have to make a patch in the smalltalk interpretor for SmallTalk to recognize the Mac+'s Enter key (this can get you the Blue Button Menu). I have posted this patch earlier to net.lang.st80 and net.micro.mac. There is a small problem in assembling the level 1 image onto a DS floppy. You have to have a hard disk attached to your Mac+. Why, well you can fit the pieces of the level 1 image (~650K) onto a disk, but DivJoin will try to reassemble the pieces on the same disk, consequently you will run out of room. I borrowed a demo Mac+ w/hard disk at a store to create my SmallTalk DS floppy. Hope this helps... -- Herb Barad [USC - Signal and Image Processing Institute] USENET: ...!sdcrdcf!usc-oberon!brand!barad or ...!{lbl-csam|trwrb|trwspp}!trwspf!herb or ...!{lbl-csam|trwrb|trwspp}!trwspf!brand!barad ARPANET: barad%brand@usc-ecl.ARPA ------------------------------ From: seismo!harvard!h-sc1!clarke@topaz.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Mac+ Upgrades Date: Fri, 21 Mar 86 00:07:11 EST Organization: Harvard University Science Center April is definately a rumor. In fact, my roommate got an upgrade from a 512Mac to a Mac+ (he didn't get the RAM, just the drive and ROM, but they had the RAM available) two days ago (that puts it about March 18th). He got it from The Coop in Cambridge, MA. I don't think they got very many in, but he was the first person on their waiting list. -Cam Clarke clarke%h-sc4@harvard.ARPA (or h-sc1) clarke@h-sc4.UUCP (or h-sc1) clarke@HARVUNXU.BITNET ------------------------------ End of Usenet Mac Digest ************************ -------