18-May-86 07:57:01-PDT,28743;000000000000 Return-Path: <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Received: from RED.RUTGERS.EDU by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Sun 18 May 86 07:54:51-PDT Date: 18 May 86 10:49:30 EDT From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #39 To: Usenet-Digest-List: ; Message-ID: <12207683721.20.SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Usenet Mac Digest Sunday, 18 May 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: Sequencer problems HW documentation on mac+ wanted Re: Ten Challenges Re: Problem with System 3.X (actually bad apple dealers) Mac Plus carrying cases re: challenge no.5 (DA copying) Re: printer problem Re: A question concerning the memory maneger . Finder tip Re: Problem with System 3.X cyrillic fonts Megamax Development System on MacPlusses right to left word processing Re: Copying 400K Copy Protected Files to 800K Mac+ ??? Re: Current volume under SFGetFile ? MacWrite question Re: ICONS in buttons (HELP)? Re: Megamax Development System on MacPlusses Interrupt switch on Mac+ Re: Megamax Development System on MacPlusses Source code for fractals? Music typesetting; Mac/MIDI/Casio CZ-101; Mac/Music SIG? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hosoda@well.UUCP (Craig Hosoda) Subject: Sequencer problems Date: 14 May 86 21:51:50 GMT Organization: Whole Earth Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Is anybody else having problems getting Darin Adler's Sequencer program to autostart? I've downloaded it, put it on my MacTerminal disk, used ResEdit to insert my strings for the Document name and MacTerminal. The Sequencer works fine when I double-click on it from the desktop. If I select it, choose "Set Startup", shutdown and reinsert the disk, Sequencer doesn't run and all I get is the desktop. I'm using System 3.1.1. Has anybody else tried to use it with similar results? I've tried both versions of the Sequencer. Thanks, Craig Hosoda ------------------------------ From: jimt@tekig4.UUCP (Jim Tallman) Subject: HW documentation on mac+ wanted Date: 14 May 86 01:34:33 GMT Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR My warrenty is about up. I plan to get inside and upgrade to 4 megs. I need some documentation regarding so I can figure out what the pin out of those memory slots is. I hope to wire in the 'old' roms in parallel with a switch on the chip select lines so the old games will play again. I am also going to investigate adding a second floppy in the mechanical space under the present one. I probably will look at upgrading the power supply, adding a QUIET fan, or heat sinking things. Any documentation on where to learn what I need to do this would be great. thanks...jim tallman phone 503-627-3663 home: 503-648-0808 net: tektronix!tekig4!jimt snail: Tektronix, PO BOX 500, MS 39-87, Beaverton, Oregon 97077 My cute saying: Computers are completely magic. You can't find anyone in the world that knows all about any one of them. So no one alone can figure them out. The magic divides into two catagories, good magic and bad magic. Good magic is defined to be having the computer do exactly as you intended and hoped. Everything else is bad magic. It doesn't matter if it's software, hardware, operator error, bad design; they're all bad magic. Now when anything goes wrong, the reason is simple: It's bad magic. It makes getting along with them much easier. ------------------------------ From: mkg@lzaz.UUCP (Marsh Gosnell) Subject: Re: Ten Challenges Date: 13 May 86 15:08:21 GMT Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft Summary: challenge #5 met by HFS Locater Plus In addition to copying files, there are two HFS related functions that haven't been duplicated in desk accessories until recently. They are creating new HFS folders and launching documents. There's a new DA called HFS Locater Plus from PBI Software that does all of these and a lot more. Locater is a DA that searches your HFS volumes for files files by name (with wild cards) and/or by modification/creation date. If you run it with an application, Locater defaults to finding documents for that application (e.g., find me MacPaint docs if I'm in MacPaint.). The default can be changed to any file or a different application. Once you've found a file, you can do almost anything to it--copy it to another folder or to a different volume for quick backups, you can move it to another folder, rename it, delete it, show the Finder info, or launch it. When you launch a document, Locater finds the application and sets things up so that when you quit the current application, the new application will be launched and the selected document opened--exactly the same as double-clicking on the desktop. The launch is immediate if you use Locater from the Desktop. Locater also lets you: - make new folders at any time during a search, - save the full pathnames of matches in a text file (a mini-catalog), - restrict the search to a particular sub-tree or a particular folder, - and lots more. One other nice thing Locater does for you is set up the Standard file routines so that the next open will display the folder that contains the file that you found. This makes Locater nifty for finding a misplaced document and then opening it in the application. Marsh Gosnell ------------------------------ From: dad@mit-vax.UUCP (David Duff) Subject: Re: Problem with System 3.X (actually bad apple dealers) Date: 14 May 86 13:59:54 GMT Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA I have had terrible luck with Apple dealers in my (Boston) area. I'd like to know if others have had similar problems. I've been trying to get an upgrade for my Macterminal program for several months now and have had (almost) no success. At one point, in early April, I had visited a total of five Apple dealers and could not come up with a copy of the upgrade. One dealer was about to go out of business, one had just gotten back in to business, but the others seemed to be completely oblivious to the fact that the upgrade existed (It came out in mid-January, as I recall). When I finally found a dealer who had the upgrade, HE INSISTED THAT I PAY HIM FOR THE UPGRADE!! Needless to say, I was pissed off. I've had similar experiences with dealers in the past. I once went out in search of a replacement battery for my mac, only to have people in three different stores insist that there was no battery in the mac at all. I can't believe the incompetence of the computer salespeople that I've come across in this area. I later bumped in to an Apple rep at a demo and told her about what I had observed and she didn't really seem to care much about it either way. I asked her whether it was "legal" for that dealer to charge for the upgrade that was supposed to be free and she said that it was ok with Apple. She said Apple encouraged dealers to provide the upgrades for free but could not force them. What I'd like to know is this: 1) Have other people had similar problems with incompetent or uncooperative dealers? 2) Does Apple really not care about this? 3) Can anyone suggest a good Apple dealer in the Boston/Cambridge area? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: jmm@cad.UUCP Subject: Mac Plus carrying cases Date: 14 May 86 14:19:16 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Anyone have any experiences with carrying cases for their Plus? I need one by this Sunday. Brands I've seen are MacBag, MacTote, and West{something}, but I've never actually seen their bags, just adds. Any info would be appreciated. James ------------------------------ From: bhyde@inmet.UUCP Subject: re: challenge no.5 (DA copying) Date: 15 May 86 01:31:00 GMT Three more 1) The desk toy that, when active, provides cmd key shorthands for dialog buttons, ala. Excel. 2) Background deamon, reads notes, uploads my files, downloads my mail 3) The script/macro program that takes scripts like: Await the dialog called "Communication Parms" Hit the Radio Button labeled "1200 baud" Hit the "OK" Button Resize the top window to 4 inch by 3 inch ... ------------------------------ From: stephenw@murdu.OZ (Stephen Withers) Subject: Re: printer problem Date: 15 May 86 01:37:31 GMT Organization: University Computing Services, The University of Melbourne This sounds like what happens if you use tractor feed paper with the friction feed engaged. Check the position of the lever. Stephen Withers, Microcomputer Support Group, University Computing Services, The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052, Australia. ACSnet: stephenw@murdu UUCP: {seismo,mcvax,ukc,ubc-vision}!munnari!murdu.oz!stephenw ARPA: munnari!murdu.oz!stephenw@seismo.css.gov CSNET: stephenw%murdu@munnari.oz "The only thing I ever learned from experience was that I just made another mistake." ------------------------------ From: dwb@well.UUCP (David W. Berry) Subject: Re: A question concerning the memory maneger . Date: 15 May 86 11:15:43 GMT Organization: Whole Earth Lectronic Link, Sausalito CA The stack sniffer can be disabled by: #define StkLowPt (*(char **) 0x110) StkLowPt = 0; ------------------------------ From: sakw@cvaxa.UUCP (Sak Wathanasin) Subject: Finder tip Date: 14 May 86 21:37:18 GMT Organization: Univ of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, UK Got this off a UK BBS. ---------------------- Category: 1 MAC Information Message #: 694 Submitted: 5/6/86 23:13 Submitted by: BRUCE STIDSTON Subject: Finder finding. For months now, whenever I'd find myself in the Finder, I'd fool around trying to crack a problem that's always bugged my tidy mind. The problem concerns the viewing of files in a heavily populated folder. Having chosen the optimal sort criterion for the View for that folder (that is, by date or by name or by size or whatever, from the Finder's View menu), I prefer to have the files presented to me in Icon format but retaining the sequence dictated by the selected View method. (To make that clearer: I wanted to have all my MacPaint files, for instance, listed by Icon and presented in alphabetical order from left to right, starting with the A's at the top and the Z's at the bottom.) Until now, the only way I'd found of achieving this was to move the document icons around manually... a bit daft when you've got the world's friendliest computer standing by watching. Now there's a better way, thanks to the Put Away item that has reappeared on the File menu in Finders 5.0 and above. Here's how you do it: Select the View criterion you want the icons to follow. Say you choose By Date. All the files are now presented in Date order, names only, without their associated icons. Now Select All, and drag all the files onto the Desktop. Now, select the icon presentation you want: by Small Icon or by Icon. Re-size the window to make room for the icon layout you want: eg, three abreast. Now choose Put Away from the File menu and watch as Finder neatly picks up the files from the desktop, one by one, and restores them to the window in icon format, RETAINING your selected View sequence! A discovery of sorts? (Yuk!) > Bruce Stidston. -- Sak Wathanasin, U of Sussex, Cognitive Studies, Falmer, Sussex BN1 9QN, UK uucp: ...mcvax!ukc!cvaxa!sakw arpa: sakw%cvaxa.sussex.ac.uk@ucl.cs.ac.uk janet: sakw@uk.ac.sussex.cvaxa ------------------------------ From: ix21@sdcc6.UUCP Subject: Re: Problem with System 3.X Date: 15 May 86 08:19:52 GMT Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center My Apple dealer recently mailed my a post card annoucing a system upgrade -- he is distributing version 3.2b1 of the system. Now I thought under Apple's new numbering system that the "b" designates a beta test version, but my dealer states that this is an official version. I noticed that the "D" in ResEdit version 1.0D7 is upper case while the "b" is lower case. Does Apple's new numbering system, D for development, A for alpha test, B for beta test, not apply in this case? Or is Apple distributing an official beta test version? My dealer told me that even version 3.1.1 has bugs. How long do the new ROM/ Mac Plus have to wait before a bug free system is available? -- ---- David Whiteman, University of California, San Diego ------------------------------ From: n9fik@pur-ee.UUCP (Mike Rosenberg) Subject: cyrillic fonts Date: 15 May 86 15:37:20 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computer Science Dept I would like any recomendations on cyrillic fonts for the mac+. I also would like help in finding a good word processor I can use to type in Russian. Thanks in advance, Mike Rosenberg ee.purdue.edu!n9fik ------------------------------ From: lewis@axiom.UUCP (Lewis Gordon Pringle Jr.) Subject: Megamax Development System on MacPlusses Date: 15 May 86 16:09:32 GMT Organization: Axiom Technology, Newton MA I just got my Mac upgraded, and was dissapointed to find out how little of the Megamax software really works with MacPluses. The batch facility is completely useless (it doesn't know about file dates anymore, and crashes frequenly). All of the programs, header files, etc, must be on MFS disks (or the root dir of HFS disks). The editor tends to die periodically. When you get syntax errors compiling, it loades the editor with the error.out file, and the offending source file, and crashes. (Yes I know, I shouldn't have syntax errors :-). Of course, none of the new toolbox routines are supported. Most of this is not so surprissing, as my version was purchased almost a year ago. The part I find frustrating is that that was Megamaxes last release (or the last one I know of). For almost that long, they have been promissing a source level debugger (which I have heard nothing but promises about). Did they lose my registration card, and maybe thats why I haven't heard of new releases ? Did they go out of business ? Are they just out to lunch ? Anybody out there know if there have been later releases (later than 2.{0,1}b). Does anyone know of patches, or work-arounds for some of these problems? Anyone know of other, more subtle problems to be aware of (I hate finding subtle problems)? Maybe its time to dig deep and shell out for a copy of Light-Speed C? Appropriate Remarks, Lewis. PS: I am just waiting until I get a big enough file to compile, so that it decides to run off and use Screen memory :-). ------------------------------ From: riddle@emory.UUCP (Larry Riddle) Subject: right to left word processing Date: 15 May 86 16:58:37 GMT Organization: Math & Computer Science, Emory University, Atlanta I am posting this for a friend in the language department. He just received a copy of the SuperHebrew fonts for using with Macwrite. The documentation talks about a right to left desk accesory (i.e. allows you to type from the right side to the left side, particularly important when doing Hebrew). Unfortunately, this DA was not included and a phone call to the distributor of the SuperHebrew program revealed that the DA had been full of probrems and had been withdrawn for further research. Does anyone know of any applications or DA's that allow right to left word processing and that are known to work? My friend's Hebrew fonts are no good to him without this capability (unless he writes everything out first and then types it in "backward") Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Larry Riddle Emory University Dept of Math and CS Atlanta, Ga 30322 {akgua,sb1,gatech,decvax}!emory!riddle USENET riddle@emory CSNET riddle.emory@csnet-relay ARPANET ------------------------------ From: ix21@sdcc6.UUCP (David Whiteman) Subject: Re: Copying 400K Copy Protected Files to 800K Mac+ ??? Date: 16 May 86 09:43:11 GMT Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center At an user group meeting last evening in which a representative from Apple spoke the Apple rep stated that one of the many bugs that system version 3.1 had was that a 400K MFS disk created on a 128K rom machine can not be read on a 64K rom machine. This may explain the problem the Oregon user group had in duplicating disks on the MacPlus. -- ---- David Whiteman, University of California, San Diego ------------------------------ From: mkg@lzaz.UUCP (M.GOSNELL) Subject: Re: Current volume under SFGetFile ? Date: 16 May 86 22:03:58 GMT Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft If you're running MFS, the volume currently being displayed is in the word at $214 in low memory. It's called SFSaveDisk in the suppliments. If you're running HFS, getting the vRefNum is a little more difficult. SFSaveDisk will contain -(vRefNum of the volume) and CurDirStore, a long at $398, contains the WDDirid of the folder that's being displayed. The WDDirid and vRefNum of the volume can be turned into the vRefNum of the folder using PBGetWDInfo. You can force the SF display to start in a given folder by stuffing SFSaveDisk and CurDirStore before calling the SF routine. Marsh Gosnell ------------------------------ From: david1@mhuxl.UUCP (Rick Nelson) Subject: MacWrite question Date: 16 May 86 13:22:54 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill I somehow got a metric ruler on my MacWrite, version 4.5. Does anyone know how I did this? More important, does anyone know how to undo this? ------------------------------ From: rcopm@yabbie.oz (Paul Menon) Subject: Re: ICONS in buttons (HELP)? Date: 17 May 86 06:25:01 GMT Organization: RMIT Comm & Elec Eng, Melbourne, Australia. There are a couple of other solutions... (i) Create a user item (a la Dialog Manager) which can just be a rectangle. You dictate exactly what happens when mousy poops in it. You have to take care of drawing (via a user filter) updating etc... but at least it is on the same (dialog) level. An example of user items in dialog boxes can be found in MacTutor June '85. The code has some redundancies (controls being drawn twice... note that the DM takes care of drawing all controls in a window for an update event) and glaring inconsistencies (illustrations are not a result of the program... take careful not of the scrollbar positions wrt the selection box). However, it gives one a good feel about what's happening at the highest level of the Mac, the only level (opinion only) to really be programming at. I wrote a TML Pascal example program using this as an outline, I might still have it somewhere... (ii)If you are lucky enough to have a MacPlus (grrrr!!), then you can make full use of the List Manager (huh? I hear the replies already). A good example can be found in Mactutor (once again) May '86. I have not examined it thoroughly or even implemented it. Further, since the List Manager is a relatively new arrival, I am still naive on the subject. It seems a powerful package though, and could satisfy your needs. GOOD LUCK Paul Menon. Dept of Communication & Electronic Engineering, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, 124 Latrobe St, Melbourne, 3000, Australia ACSnet: rcopm@yabbie UUCP: ...!siesmo!munnari!yabbie.rmit.oz!rcopm CSNET: rcopm@yabbie.rmit.oz ARPA: rcopm%yabbie.rmit.oz@seismo BITNET: rcopm%yabbie.rmit.oz@CSNET-RELAY PHONE: +61 3 660 2619. "Views held within are mine, nobody else would be dumb enough to claim them". ------------------------------ From: barnett@im4u.UUCP (Lewis Barnett) Subject: Re: Megamax Development System on MacPlusses Date: 17 May 86 16:20:54 GMT Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas I'm curious, too. I sent my disks and a check for $15 to Megamax back in March for the most recent upgrade, and have heard nothing since. Not even "We got your correspondence and will reply as soon as possible," or "Due to unavoidable delays... etc." After all the good stuff we heard about Megamax support in the early days, this surprises me somewhat. Anyone know the story, or have similar tales of woe? Lewis Barnett,CS Dept, Painter Hall 3.28, Univ. of Texas, Austin, TX 78712 "Frankly, there's something about reality that gives me the shivering willies!" -- Hank the Hallucination -- -- barnett@im4u.CS.UTEXAS.EDU, barnett@im4u.UUCP, {ihnp4,harvard,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!im4u!barnett ------------------------------ From: mazur@harvard.UUCP (Eric Mazur) Subject: Interrupt switch on Mac+ Date: 18 May 86 02:21:58 GMT Organization: Aiken Comp Lab, Harvard I received two responses to my previous posting regarding problems with the interrupt switch. The two people who replied said they had traced the problem back to their Apple modems. One had a modem 1200, the other the Personal modem (the one you plug in the wall). Both said they had en- countered similar problems as I had (i.e., only a frozen mouse after depressing the interrupt switch, no mini-debugger), but ONLY when their modems were connected and powered on. Since I have an Apple modem 1200 too, I checked the interrupt switch with modem on and off (leaving the cables in place). With the modem off everything worked fine, but when I turned it on there was no way I could get the mini-debugger! So that seems to be the problem. Does anybody else have this problem with other modems? What could it be, that causes this annoying behavior? Eric Mazur ←A←R←P←A←-←N←E←T: mazur@harvard.harvard.EDU ←B←I←T←N←E←T: mazur@harvunxh.bitnet ←U←U←C←P: /----- mazur / /--- ←d←a←s←y!mazur {seismo,harpo,ihnp4,linus,allegra,ut-sally}!←h←a←r←v←a←r←d! ------ \ \←←← ←l←a←s←e←x!mazur \←←←←← ←m←o←l←p←h←y!mazur -- Eric Mazur ARPA-NET: mazur@harvard.harvard.EDU BITNET: mazur@harvunxh.bitnet UUCP: /----- mazur / /--- dasy!mazur {seismo,harpo,ihnp4,linus,allegra,ut-sally}!harvard! ------ \ \ lasex!mazur \ molphy!mazur ------------------------------ From: werner@ut-ngp.UUCP (Werner Uhrig) Subject: Re: Megamax Development System on MacPlusses Date: 17 May 86 22:06:19 GMT Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas Summary: Megamax presentation to Austin Developers' Group we came away with a lot of doubts about their future We had a presentation from the folks in Richardson in the meeting nearly a month ago now, and, to sum it up, we came away very much in doubt about that companies future. I hope I may be forgiven for just glossing over the details, but they did not inspire any faith in me and most of those present that they are in control of the problems they are confronting to keep up with the Mac's evolution. My impression is that if you have to choose which compiler to go with, Megamax-C does not come out looking well. And if you are able to consider changing from Megamax to something else, you probably should; the sooner the better. In the past, price was their biggest Plus - but with Lightspeed-C out, there now is another choice. I don't care to discuss this matter in details, but recommend that interested parties take a hard look at alternatives to Megamax also. Cheers, ---Werner ------------------------------ From: padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan) Subject: Source code for fractals? Date: 17 May 86 17:12:45 GMT Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX Does anyone know of, or have, code for generating fractals? I would appreciate being mailed a copy, or information as to where it may be obtained. Thanks in advance, Padraig Houlahan. ------------------------------ From: Mike Wirth <mcw@lll-crg.ARPA> Subject: Music typesetting; Mac/MIDI/Casio CZ-101; Mac/Music SIG? Date: Thu, 15 May 86 13:23:48 pdt Music Typesetting ----------------- In response to the recent inquiry on music typesetting systems, here are some further references (for those who wish to delve into the interesting technical issues associated with this problem): 1. I just received the May issue of the Communications of the ACM with an article by John S. Gourlay, "A Language for Music Printing," pages 388 to 401. His references are quite complete; I recommend that you get the article just for them. In particular, he lists my #2 and says about the Professional Composer program from Mark of the Unicorn, "Its typography, although relatively good, is still not up to the standards of published scores, ..." Hmm.... 2. A very interesting paper is contained in Byte, Vol. 9, January, 1984, by J. T. Maxwell and S. M. Ornstein, "Mockingbird: A Composer's Amanuensis." I originally saw this paper as a Xerox PARC report -- I presume the Byte article is the same. It has an excellent discussion of the problems associated with manipulating musical compositions. 3. Sometime within the last year, an issue of the ACM's Computing Surveys contained a number of articles on the use of computers in music. Most seemed to be fairly theoretical (i.e., computer generated compositions) and somewhat dated (e.g., MIDI was only mentioned briefly in one spot). Sorry, but I can't remember the date of the issue and can't find it; I've moved offices once too often. The Mac, MIDI and Casio ----------------------- For those who are interested in MIDI, there's a whole new world of stuff out there for you. Just visit your local (electronic) music store! Some sources that I've found useful in my Mac/MIDI/Casio CZ-101 interests are: 4. Keyboard Magazine: At your local music store. See especially the January '86 special issue on MIDI. Lots of info from the musician's perspective. 5. Electronic Musician: A new magazine, more at the hobbiest level. Has regular articles on building your own hardware interfaces and MIDI gizmos. 6. The Detailed MIDI Spec: Obtainable for approx. $30 from: International MIDI Association 11857 Hartsook St. North Hollywood, CA 91607 (818) 505-8964 (Usually get's a tape machine!!!) You can also join their association and get newletters, etc. I have the spec. if you need the answer to a specific question and don't want to spend $30. It contains the encoding for the general (non-machine specific) MIDI codes and a short(!) description of the electrical spec. with a simple schematic. (By the way, does anyone know where to get the Sharp PC900 opto-isolator called for by the spec? I called the standard electronic distributors in Silicon Valley and could never find it.) 7. If you're interested in Casio synthesizers, you can get the machine- specific MIDI codes (called "system exclusive data") by contacting: Jerry Kovarsky Product Manager E.M.I. Casio, Inc. 15 Gardner Road Fairfield, NJ 07006 (201) 575-7400 and he'll send you a 1/4" thick stack of photocopied notes. Be sure to specify synthesizer model (I said "all"). This turned out to be a hard-to- find reference, because the local MIDI equipment dealers don't deal with Casio directly and the MIDI software houses probably don't want you to find out this info. Special Interest Group? ----------------------- Is anyone out there interested in a network special interest group on the Mac and MIDI? On Casio (or other) synthesizers? Send me mail. When I can find the time, I'm working on a Mac-to-MIDI interface based on a simple schematic in the Berkeley MUG newsletter of two issues ago (Spring '85?). (Yes, I know; you can buy them. But I (a) am too cheap having just spent my money on music software {ConcertWare+ is great!}, and (b) like to hack hardware occasionally. Problem is that Sharp PC900 -- drat! I have a candidate substitute if all else fails.) Is anyone out there writing utility software, e.g., patch librarians or editors? (That's "MIDI talk" -- see the Jan. '86 Keyboard for a translation). Has anyone used the Opcode Systems patch editor/librarian for the Mac and the CZ-101? For the Yamaha DX-7? Mike Wirth ARPAnet: mcw@lll-crg.arpa ------------------------------ End of Usenet Mac Digest ************************ -------