******** WELCOME TO KNOWLEDGE INDEX KI CLOSED-PLEASE CALL BACK DURING OUR NORMAL OPERATING HOURS TYMNET: call cleared by request please log in: user name: SUMEX password: P 2 2060 IS ON LINE SUMEX-AIM 2060, TOPS-20 Monitor 5.3(5715)-4 @MASINTER Password: Job 11 on TTY43 12-Feb-85 5:01AM Previous LOGIN: 9-Feb-85 3:08PM End of LOGIN.CMD.3 @ @MM SUMEX-AIM.ARPA.#Internet MM-20 5.3(1056) You have no MAIL.TXT.1 MM>GET XXX MM>GET INFO-1100.TXT.1 Last read: 9-Feb-85 23:43:54 154 messages (147 old), 84 pages 31 messages unseen MM>HEAD 147:154 U 147) 9-Feb ricks%ucbic@Ber add to mailing list (583 chars) N 148) 11-Feb Tcohen%udel-eec add to mailing list (452 chars) N 149) 11-Feb dean%rocky@Corn Franz to Interlisp conversion (1231 chars) N 150) 11-Feb Kahn.pa@XEROX.A Re: is there Prolog on Xerox 1100 (694 chars) N 151) 11-Feb burke.pasa@XERO Re: add to mailing list (567 chars) N 152) 11-Feb Tcohen%udel-eec Re: add to mailing list (660 chars) N 153) 12-Feb Masinter.pa@XER Prolog on Xerox/Franz to Interlis (6187 chars) N 154) 12-Feb Masinter.pa@XER Re: add to mailing list (1673 chars) MM>GET LASER-LOVERS.TXT.1 Last read: 12-Feb-85 04:24:13 96 messages, 97 pages 96 messages unseen MM>HEAD 92:96 U 92) 9-Feb Robert Morris Re: ln-01 (1138 chars) U 93) 9-Feb dave@wisc-rsch. Re: ln-01 (1571 chars) U 94) 11-Feb Mike Iglesias QMS 800 font download (1317 chars) U 95) 12-Feb Vincent Manis Re: PostScript and Interpress (1751 chars) U 96) 12-Feb tektronix!hplab TeX driver for QMS (1938 chars) MM>ty 95 Message 95 (1751 characters): Return-Path: Received: from WASHINGTON.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Feb 85 01:34:10-PST Return-Path: Received: from uw-beaver.arpa by WASHINGTON.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Feb 85 00:43:41-PST Received: by uw-beaver.arpa (4.42/2.6) id AA10983; Tue, 12 Feb 85 00:46:30 PST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 85 09:44:42 pst Received: by ubc-vision.UUCP id AA11737; Mon, 11 Feb 85 09:44:42 pst From: Vincent Manis To: Reply-To: ubc-vision!ubc-cs!manis (vince manis) Message-Id: 205:manis@cs.ubc.cdn Subject: Re: PostScript and Interpress ReSent-Date: Tue 12 Feb 85 01:20:41-PST ReSent-From: Richard Furuta ReSent-To: "Laser Lovers": ; Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science I don't want to do a hatchet job on Xerox, but I've seen enough over the years to make me suspect that Brian's account might have some truth to it. I think particularly of the difficulty our Computing Centre has had in getting detailed technical information on the 9700, for implementing TeX. Xerox tends to want non-disclosure agreements signed even before admitting the existence of documentation. I also remember an incident about 10 years ago when a lawyer at PARC decided that BCPL was a Xerox proprietary product. In any case, I'm delighted that Xerox has released InterPress, and would appreciate a posting indicating where Canadian customers can order a copy. I will pass that information on to our Computing Centre people. I'm also looking forward to seeing Brian's comparison of the two languages. %Can't open "LASER-LOVERS.TXT.1" for write - Write access required MM>head CURRENT 95) 12-Feb Vincent Manis Re: PostScript and Interpress (1751 chars) MM>head 80:89 U 80) 6-Feb Brian Reid PostScript and Interpress (2678 chars) U 81) 6-Feb Brian Reid PostScript and Interpress (2678 chars) U 82) 7-Feb (Bill Johnston Re: laser printers, 8 bit output (3589 chars) U 83) 7-Feb cornell!decvax! Re fa.laser-lovers: Size-independ (1036 chars) U 84) 7-Feb "Ian D. Horswil Query: typesetting on micros (1997 chars) U 85) 7-Feb Robert Morris Re: laser printers, 8 bit output (1210 chars) U 86) 8-Feb McBain.es@XEROX PostScript and Interpress (2043 chars) U 87) 8-Feb Scott Jones Re: ln-01 (8263 chars) U 88) 8-Feb Chuck Bigelow (2694 chars) U 89) 8-Feb MBartulis.ES@XE Re: ln-01 (1102 chars) MM>TY 86 Message 86 (2043 characters): Return-Path: Received: from WASHINGTON.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Feb 85 01:13:35-PST Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.ARPA by WASHINGTON.ARPA with TCP; Thu 7 Feb 85 17:20:06-PST Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 07 FEB 85 17:17:00 PST Date: Thu, 7 Feb 85 17:22 PST From: McBain.es@XEROX.ARPA Subject: PostScript and Interpress To: Laser-lovers@WASHINGTON.ARPA cc: Reid@SU-GLACIER.ARPA, McBain.es@XEROX.ARPA ReSent-Date: Fri 8 Feb 85 00:27:32-PST ReSent-From: Richard Furuta ReSent-To: "Laser Lovers": ; Brian Reid was understandably miffed when, as an assistant professor at Stanford, he did a technical writing job for Xerox which, for business reasons, Xerox chose to keep temporarily private, thereby frustrating Brian's publish or perish search for tenure. Now that he takes money from Adobe he seems to have found an opportunity to square the grievance however real or imagened it may be. The work of which he speaks, 'Introduction to Interpress', is public and is available as a part of the well publicized package which Xerox sells for $250. The technical writing is excellent. Brian's name appears on the inside cover below that of Robert F. Sproull, reflecting traditional academic relationships. No need to proselytize for Xerox here. Nor any need to take the conclusions of someone who is on the payroll of either outfit. The public nature of the work, the general availability from both Xerox and Adobe make it possible for all who choose to do so, to form their own opinions about the relationship of these two printing languages. Brian's fine wordsmithing in the Introduction will make your job easier. It also makes clear that anyone who wishes may buy the material and discuss its contents. Even Brian Reid. Can anyone seriously believe that, having made the information public, Xerox would have a significant interest in muzzling Prof. Reid in particular? C'mon now. %Can't open "LASER-LOVERS.TXT.1" for write - Write access required MM>FOR CURRENT To: MASINTER Message (End with ESCAPE or CTRL/Z. Use CTRL/B to insert a file, CTRL/E to enter editor, CTRL/K to redisplay message, CTRL/L to clear screen and redisplay, CTRL/N to abort.): 86 S> MASINTER@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA.#Internet -- queued MM>GET HPP-DOLPHINS.TXT.1 Last read: 9-Feb-85 23:37:31 162 messages, 72 pages 93 messages unseen MM>HEAD 155:162 U 155) 2-Jan Christopher Sch net down 8-10am Friday Jan 4 (410 chars) U 156) 18-Jan Bill Safe D-machine messages (530 chars) U 157) 24-Jan Bill Croft SAFE downtime this evening. (325 chars) U 158) 25-Jan Christopher Sch Harmony released (894 chars) U 159) 1-Feb Christopher Sch D2 control key? (survey) (857 chars) U 160) 4-Feb Christopher Sch "new improved" Xerox keyboards (613 chars) U 161) 4-Feb Eric Schoen Re: "new improved" Xerox keyboard (532 chars) U 162) 6-Feb Christopher Sch Harmony release notes (1555 chars) MM>TY 161 XXX MM>TY 162 Message 162 (1555 characters): Mail-From: SCHMIDT created at 6-Feb-85 17:02:12 Date: Wed 6 Feb 85 17:02:11-PST From: Christopher Schmidt Subject: Harmony release notes To: HPP-Dolphins@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA I made 20 copies of the "Release Notes" portion of the Harmony distribution kit. I distributed a copy each to Wulfman, Langlotz, Noble, Tu, Williams, Ferguson, Combs, Richer, Wilkins, Hasling, Protean (next to SUMEX-1100-2), Clancey, Friedland, Rosenbloom, and Bonnetain, whom I guessed to be the people in greatest need at the moment. I will get one to Radix next time I am in MJH. This leaves 4 copies. If you can't share with one of the above people, let me know and I will get one to you. I think that this document is best read once (absorbed) and then given to someone who hasn't read it yet. I don't believe it to be of any lasting value as the organization does n Abort? Y MM> MM> MM>GET ^C @LOGOUT Over permanent storage allocation by 4 page(s). Killed Job 11, User MASINTER, TTY 43, at 12-Feb-85 05:08:49 Us