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Last read: 9-Feb-85 23:43:54
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U 147) 9-Feb ricks%ucbic@Ber add to mailing list (583 chars)
N 148) 11-Feb Tcohen%udel-eec add to mailing list (452 chars)
N 149) 11-Feb dean%rocky@Corn Franz to Interlisp conversion (1231 chars)
N 150) 11-Feb Kahn.pa@XEROX.A Re: is there Prolog on Xerox 1100 (694 chars)
N 151) 11-Feb burke.pasa@XERO Re: add to mailing list (567 chars)
N 152) 11-Feb Tcohen%udel-eec Re: add to mailing list (660 chars)
N 153) 12-Feb Masinter.pa@XER Prolog on Xerox/Franz to Interlis (6187 chars)
N 154) 12-Feb Masinter.pa@XER Re: add to mailing list (1673 chars)
MM>GET <BBOARD>LASER-LOVERS.TXT.1
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MM>HEAD 92:96
U 92) 9-Feb Robert Morris Re: ln-01 (1138 chars)
U 93) 9-Feb dave@wisc-rsch. Re: ln-01 (1571 chars)
U 94) 11-Feb Mike Iglesias QMS 800 font download (1317 chars)
U 95) 12-Feb Vincent Manis Re: PostScript and Interpress (1751 chars)
U 96) 12-Feb tektronix!hplab TeX driver for QMS (1938 chars)
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From: Vincent Manis <ubc-vision!cs.ubc.cdn!manis@uw-beaver.arpa>
To: <uw-beaver!laser-lovers>
Reply-To: ubc-vision!ubc-cs!manis (vince manis)
Message-Id: 205:manis@cs.ubc.cdn
Subject: Re: PostScript and Interpress
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ReSent-From: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA>
ReSent-To: "Laser Lovers": ;
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
I don't want to do a hatchet job on Xerox, but I've seen enough over the
years to make me suspect that Brian's account might have some truth to
it. I think particularly of the difficulty our Computing Centre has had
in getting detailed technical information on the 9700, for implementing
TeX. Xerox tends to want non-disclosure agreements signed even before
admitting the existence of documentation.
I also remember an incident about 10 years ago when a lawyer at PARC
decided that BCPL was a Xerox proprietary product.
In any case, I'm delighted that Xerox has released InterPress, and would
appreciate a posting indicating where Canadian customers can order a copy.
I will pass that information on to our Computing Centre people.
I'm also looking forward to seeing Brian's comparison of the two languages.
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95) 12-Feb Vincent Manis Re: PostScript and Interpress (1751 chars)
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U 80) 6-Feb Brian Reid PostScript and Interpress (2678 chars)
U 81) 6-Feb Brian Reid PostScript and Interpress (2678 chars)
U 82) 7-Feb (Bill Johnston Re: laser printers, 8 bit output (3589 chars)
U 83) 7-Feb cornell!decvax! Re fa.laser-lovers: Size-independ (1036 chars)
U 84) 7-Feb "Ian D. Horswil Query: typesetting on micros (1997 chars)
U 85) 7-Feb Robert Morris Re: laser printers, 8 bit output (1210 chars)
U 86) 8-Feb McBain.es@XEROX PostScript and Interpress (2043 chars)
U 87) 8-Feb Scott Jones Re: ln-01 (8263 chars)
U 88) 8-Feb Chuck Bigelow (2694 chars)
U 89) 8-Feb MBartulis.ES@XE Re: ln-01 (1102 chars)
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From: McBain.es@XEROX.ARPA
Subject: PostScript and Interpress
To: Laser-lovers@WASHINGTON.ARPA
cc: Reid@SU-GLACIER.ARPA, McBain.es@XEROX.ARPA
ReSent-Date: Fri 8 Feb 85 00:27:32-PST
ReSent-From: Richard Furuta <Furuta@WASHINGTON.ARPA>
ReSent-To: "Laser Lovers": ;
Brian Reid was understandably miffed when, as an assistant professor at
Stanford, he did a technical writing job for Xerox which, for business
reasons, Xerox chose to keep temporarily private, thereby frustrating
Brian's publish or perish search for tenure. Now that he takes money
from Adobe he seems to have found an opportunity to square the grievance
however real or imagened it may be.
The work of which he speaks, 'Introduction to Interpress', is public and
is available as a part of the well publicized package which Xerox sells
for $250. The technical writing is excellent. Brian's name appears on
the inside cover below that of Robert F. Sproull, reflecting traditional
academic relationships.
No need to proselytize for Xerox here. Nor any need to take the
conclusions of someone who is on the payroll of either outfit. The
public nature of the work, the general availability from both Xerox and
Adobe make it possible for all who choose to do so, to form their own
opinions about the relationship of these two printing languages.
Brian's fine wordsmithing in the Introduction will make your job easier.
It also makes clear that anyone who wishes may buy the material and
discuss its contents. Even Brian Reid.
Can anyone seriously believe that, having made the information public,
Xerox would have a significant interest in muzzling Prof. Reid in
particular? C'mon now.
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U 155) 2-Jan Christopher Sch net down 8-10am Friday Jan 4 (410 chars)
U 156) 18-Jan Bill Safe D-machine messages (530 chars)
U 157) 24-Jan Bill Croft SAFE downtime this evening. (325 chars)
U 158) 25-Jan Christopher Sch Harmony released (894 chars)
U 159) 1-Feb Christopher Sch D2 control key? (survey) (857 chars)
U 160) 4-Feb Christopher Sch "new improved" Xerox keyboards (613 chars)
U 161) 4-Feb Eric Schoen Re: "new improved" Xerox keyboard (532 chars)
U 162) 6-Feb Christopher Sch Harmony release notes (1555 chars)
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Message 162 (1555 characters):
Mail-From: SCHMIDT created at 6-Feb-85 17:02:12
Date: Wed 6 Feb 85 17:02:11-PST
From: Christopher Schmidt <SCHMIDT@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA>
Subject: Harmony release notes
To: HPP-Dolphins@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA
I made 20 copies of the "Release Notes" portion of the Harmony
distribution kit.
I distributed a copy each to Wulfman, Langlotz, Noble, Tu,
Williams, Ferguson, Combs, Richer, Wilkins, Hasling, Protean (next to
SUMEX-1100-2), Clancey, Friedland, Rosenbloom, and Bonnetain, whom I
guessed to be the people in greatest need at the moment. I will get
one to Radix next time I am in MJH.
This leaves 4 copies. If you can't share with one of the
above people, let me know and I will get one to you. I think that
this document is best read once (absorbed) and then given to someone
who hasn't read it yet. I don't believe it to be of any lasting value
as the organization does n
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