*start* 05890 00114 US gvMsgID: Bhushan.WBST $ 3#14@ 1-Feb-82 15:33:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 1 Feb. 1982 6:33 pm EST (Monday) From: Bhushan.WBST Subject: Distribution Lists for System Integration Standards Activities To: PrintStds^.ES, ComStandards^.WBST, NetStandards^.WBST, IPDesign^.PA, TelepressDesign^.ES, InterDoc.PA, (W. Swanstrom, DLOS 185)DLOSMail.DLOS, (Wendell Shultz, ESDS)ESMail.ES, (M. Townsend, ESDS A226)ESMail.ES Reply-To: Bhushan This memo is to familiarize you with the Laurel/Grapevine distribution lists that may be helpful in the development of the Xerox Systems Integration Stanadards. STANDARD SUBCOMMITTEE ACTIVITIES First, there are several Grapevine distribution lists that focus on the standards subcommittee activities. These are: 1. PrintStds^.ES (Owners: Nekora.PA Friends: NIL) Members: Bhushan.WBST, Blake.WBST, Dawson.PA, Elkind.PA, Geschke.PA, Irby.PA, Kawada.ES, Kawaguchi.ES, Linden.PA, Lynch.PA, Mendelson.ES, Nekora.PA, Rider.ES, Talbot.RX, Warnock.PA, Wheeler.WBST 2. ComStandards^.WBST (Owners: Bhushan.WBST, Lynch.PA Friends: NIL) Members: Andrews.PA, Bhushan.WBST, Birrell.PA, Blake.WBST, Bulnes.pa, Dalal.PA, Dawson.PA, Elkind.PA, Ellis.PA, Farmer.EOS, Fishburn.WBST, Irby.PA, Kawada.ES, Linden.PA, Lockett.ES, Lynch.PA, McBain.ES, Mendelson.ES, Reed.Dlos, Stewart.PA, Wheeler.WBST, White.PA, Willson.DLOS, Yokota.PA 3. NetStandards^.WBST (Owners: Bhushan.WBST, Lynch.PA Friends: NIL) Members: Alfvin.ES, Andrews.PA, Beeley.ES, Bhushan.WBST, Birrell.PA, Blake.WBST, Bulnes.pa, Dalal.PA, Elkind.PA, Ellis.PA, Farmer.EOS, Fishburn.WBST, Irby.PA, Kawada.ES, Komatsu.es, Linden.PA, Lynch.PA, McBain.ES, Mendelson.ES, Redell.PA, Reed.Dlos, Suk.PA, Wheeler.WBST, White.PA, Willson.DLOS, Yokota.PA 4. DocStandards^.PA (Owners: Irby.PA, Ayers.PA Friends: NIL) Members: Ayers.PA, Bhushan.WBST, Blake.WBST, Elkind.PA, Farmer.EOS, Horning.PA, Irby.PA, Kawada.ES, Kelley.DLOS, Linden.PA, Lynch.PA, Mitchell.PA, Seto.ES, Wheeler.WBST, Yokota.PA The subcommittee members who do not have Laurel/Grapevine accounts may be reached by using the ESMail, MCMail and DLOSMail facilities. Complete distribution lists are stored in the [IBIS] directory with the following file names, and these can be invoked by using the COM-G feature in Laurel: 1. [IBIS]PrintStandards.dl The current list is: PrintStds^.ES, (Jim Flach ROCH-023)MCMail.WBST, (Don Woodley TOHQ 6800)MCMail.WBST, (Jerry Farmer PASA-380)EOSMail.EOS, (Ron Vance DLOS-134)DLOSMail.DLOS, (William White HADB)ESMail.ES, (Mike Townsend A2-26)ESMail.ES, (K. OikawaFUJI-XEROX)ESMail.ES, (Pete England P3-16)ESMail.ES 2. [IBIS]ComStandards.dl The current list is: ComStandards^.WBST, (W. Swanstrom, DLOS 185)DLOSMail.DLOS, (Wendell Shultz, ESDS)ESMail.ES, (M. Townsend, ESDS A226)ESMail.ES, (D. Woodley, TOHQ 6800)MCMail.WBST, (K. Oikawa - FUJI XEROX)ESMail.ES, (C. Jacobson, DLOS 129/550)DLOSMail.DLOS, (J. Flach, Roch 023)MCMail.WBST, (W. White HADB G203)ESMail.ES 3. [IBIS]NetStandards.dl The current list is: NetStandards^.WBST, (W. Swanstrom, DLOS 185)DLOSMail.DLOS, (Wendell Shultz, ESDS)ESMail.ES, (M. Townsend, ESDS A226)ESMail.ES, (D. Woodley, TOHQ 6800)MCMail.WBST, (K. Ito - FUJI XEROX) ESMail.ES, (K. Oikawa - FUJI XEROX)ESMail.ES, (C. Jacobson, DLOS 129/550)DLOSMail.DLOS, (J. Flach, Roch 023)MCMail.WBST, (W. White, HADB G203)ESMail.ES 4. [IBIS]DocStandards.dl The current list is: DocStandards^.PA, (Pete England, ESCP P316)ESMail.ES, (Ron Vance, DLOS 137)DLOSMail.DLOS, (Werner Schaer, DLOS 130)DLOSMail.DLOS, (Wendell Shultz, ES M1-59)ESMail.ES, (M. Townsend, ESDS A226)ESMail.ES, (D. Woodley, TOHQ 6800)MCMail.WBST, (K. Ito - FUJI XEROX) ESMail.ES, (K. Oikawa-FUJI XEROX)ESMail.ES, (J. Flach, Roch 023)MCMail.WBST, (G. Blanpied, LACS MA21)ESMail.ES TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP ACTIVITIES There are several distribution lists that are related to the technical working groups developing standards. These include: 1. TelepressDesign^.ES (Owners: Beeley.ES Friends: NIL) Members: AlBrown.pa, Ayers.pa, Battut.es, Beeley.es, Bhushan.WBST, Chen.es, CWallace.es, Dalal.PA, Freier.PA, GWilliams.PA, Imhoff.es, JLevine.es, Johnsson.pa, Justus.es, Kawada.es, Kawaguchi.es, KCYou.es, Komatsu.es, Linden.PA, LJMiller.WBST, McBain.es, Muntz.es, Nikora.es, Rhomberg.es, Rich.es, Singhania.es, Warnock.PA, Wells.es, White.pa, Yokota.pa 2. IPDesign^.PA (Owners: Gescke.PA, Sargent.PA Friends: NIL) Members: ALBrown.PA, Ayers.PA, Becker.pa, Beeley.ES, Bhushan.WBST, CWallace.es, DMurray.WBST, Geraci.pa, Geschke.PA, Lampson.PA, LJMiller.WBST, Maynard.pa, McBain.ES, Mendelson.ES, Newlin.PA, Pany.ES, Reid.PA, Sproull.PA, Villano.ES, Warnock.PA 3. InterDoc.PA (Owners: Ayers.PA Friends: NIL) Members: Ayers.pa, Bhushan.WBST, GCurry.es, Geschke.pa, Guibas.pa, Guttag.pa, Horning.pa, Irby.pa, Johnston.DLOS, Karlton.pa, Lampson.pa, Linden.PA, McGregor.pa, Mitchell.pa, Paxton.pa, Reid.pa, Reid@Score.ArpaGateway, Stone.pa, Warnock.pa OTHER INTEREST GROUPS In addition there are several distribution lists which concern standards related topics but are open to "public". These are: 1. DocumentInterchange^.PA (Owners: Horning.PA, Mitchell.PA Friends: *) The list has 40+ members. 2. CommunicationProtocols^.PA (Owners: White.PA Friends: *) The list has 117+ members 3. CourierInterest^.PA (Owners: Freier.PA, Garlick.PA Friends: *) The list has 40+ members 4. IPInterest^.PA (Owners: Geschke.PA, Sargent.PA Friends: *) The list has 50+ members 5. PrintServerInterest^.ES (Owners: Nikora.ES Friends: *) The list has 260+ members 6. TelepressInterest^.ES (Owners: Beeley.ES Friends: *) The list has 120+ members *start* 00994 00115 US gvMsgID: Johnston.DLOS $ 3#14@ 2-Feb-82 11:58:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 2 Feb. 1982 1:58 pm CST (Tuesday) From: Johnston.DLOS Subject: Interest in InterDoc To: InterDoc.PA cc: Johnston This note was suggested by Bob Ayers since I am a new member of the group. My name is Rick Johnston. I work for OPD Office Products software engineering under Werner Schaer, and our group here is concerned with keeping up with developments in InterDoc and contributing our thoughts and asking questions about our problems, if pertinent. We hope this group's discussions will help us understand higher level document structures (our only experience is the 860 at present) and requirements. We would also like to know about meetings of the InterDoc discussion or definition group as we would like to take part in them whenever possible. If you should have any specific questions I/we could answer, I will be more than happy to respond. Thank you. Rick *start* 01122 00112 US gvMsgID: Horning.pa $ 3#14@ 2-Feb-82 12:32:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 2 Feb. 1982 12:32 pm PST (Tuesday) From: Horning.pa Subject: Re: Interest in InterDoc In-reply-to: Johnston.DLOS's message of 2 Feb. 1982 1:58 pm CST (Tuesday) To: Johnston.DLOS cc: Ayers, Mitchell Rick, Welcome. Don't hesitate to send Bob Ayers, Jim Mitchell, or me (or all three) questions about any conversations you seem to have come in on the middle of. Also, if Bob hasn't give you pointers yet, there's a lot of stuff about Interdoc history stored on [Indigo] that you might want to rummage through. interdoc-t-may81.mail!1 interdoc-t-jun81.mail!1 interdoc-t-jul81.mail!1 interdoc-t-aug81.mail!1 interdoc-t-sep81.mail!1 Glossary-Interdoc.bravo!1 Arbitrary-Interdoc-9-24-81.bravo!1 Errata-Interdoc-9-24-81.bravo!1 jgm-slides-21jan82.bravo!1 jgm-slides-24sep81.bravo!2 Pieces-Interdoc.bravo!1 Slides-9-22-81.bravo!2 Slides-9-23-81.bravo!1 Slides-9-24-81.bravo!1 Standard-Cards-9-24-81.bravo!1 draft.press!1 jgm-slides-21jan82.press!1 Jim H. *start* 00677 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.PA $ 3#14@ 2-Feb-82 17:03:58 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 2-Feb-82 17:03:58 PST (Tuesday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: New Member of InterDoc Technical Working Group To: InterDoc.pa Reply-To: Ayers cc: DaveSmith, Irby, Dalal I welcome Jean-Marie de La Beaujardiere to the InterDoc TWG. Jean-Marie will represent Advanced Design in the areas of document preparation, typography, international considerations, ....... and of course work on the ever-popular "what is a paragraph" with the rest of us. I also hope to interest him in working with me on the production of the formal SISB proposal later in the year. Bob *start* 00569 00113 US gvMsgID: Mitchell.PA $ 3#14@ 8-Feb-82 9:42:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 8 Feb. 1982 9:42 am PST (Monday) From: Mitchell.PA Subject: Re: Distribution Lists for System Integration Standards Activities In-reply-to: Bhushan.WBST's message of 1 Feb. 1982 6:33 pm EST (Monday) To: Bhushan.WBST cc: Mitchell Abhay, Out of curiosity I just tried to look at the details of DocStandards^.PA. Grapevine says that no such name exists yet. I thought I should let you know in case you expect that it is in existence. Jim Mitchell *start* 02990 00112 US gvMsgID: Horning.pa $ 3#14@ 8-Feb-82 12:28:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 8 Feb. 1982 12:28 pm PST (Monday) From: Horning.pa Subject: FYI: Ayers on SDD Interdoc support To: Mitchell cc: Lampson --------------------------- Date: 27-Jan-82 12:14:54 PST (Wednesday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: On manpower from SDD You [PARC] should be made aware that 1. We are negotiating with SDD El Segundo for two people to produce the Star implementation of InterDoc this Summer. I feel that they will, effectively, be project members in the same sense that the 8044 printer guys were members of the Interpress project. [I think this was alluded to at the subcommitee meeting ...] 2. As I mentioned a message ago, Irby and I plan on adding at least one SDD person to the working group. The question of "full time" is always a fluid one. I plan on being "full time" if its appropriate; Interdoc is higher priority than anything else I'm doing in '82 [higher priority both in sdd's plans and personally]. Bob PS: Is this an appropriate info conduit to (the powers at) CSL? IF not, I'd be happy to exchange views more formally. --------------------------- Date: 27 Jan. 1982 12:23 pm PST (Wednesday) From: Horning.pa Subject: Re: On manpower from SDD Bob, Maybe a good way to clear the air would be for you and/or Irby to send to Interdoc a "manpower update" message. This would be a natural followon to the meeting. Jim H. --------------------------- Date: 27-Jan-82 12:49:31 PST (Wednesday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: Re: Re: On manpower from SDD The "Technical Working Group" now has Ayers, Gurry, and Karlton from SDD. Each of those people has some other commitments, and therefore is less than "full time". (I suspect that there is never really a full-time participant on anything.) My belief is that the amount of time spent on InterDoc by those people will vary according to the needs of the projet in their areas of expertise. Right now I see that as Ayers >50%, Curry around 50%, Karlton <50%. If we add the person from Advanced Development that I think we will, he will be spending the majority of his time on the project (not a token). The above does not count the two Star implementors that I have requested (but not yet obtained) from El Segundo. I do NOT see PARC taking the kind of system responsibility that it did for Interpress at all. I see CSL responsible for the explanation, tuning, and exposition of the Horning/Mitchell language/syntax proposals. I see SDD (read 'me' -- perhaps Irby too) responsible for the project as a whole. [I definitely don't see CSL getting any "blame" if things don't work out. The Jims prepared a thing, and gave it to SDD. If SDD drops the ball, that's SDD's problem. This line of reasoning goes with my comment, above, about CSL's responsibility being only to the language/syntax.] Bob ------------------------------------------------------------ *start* 00584 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.PA $ 3#14@ 8-Feb-82 11:40:54 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 8-Feb-82 11:40:54 PST (Monday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: Re: Butler/Interdoc In-reply-to: Horning's message of 8 Feb. 1982 10:02 am PST (Monday) To: Horning cc: Ayers, Mitchell, Lampson 1-3 Thursday is fine with me. Related: I was planning on having an InterDoc TWG get-together on Thursday. [That's the best day for Gurry.] My initial take is to make the TWG meeting some time OTHER than 1-3 -- that is separate from an intimate chat with BWL. Do you agree? Bob *start* 00445 00112 US gvMsgID: Horning.pa $ 3#14@ 8-Feb-82 11:54:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 8 Feb. 1982 11:54 am PST (Monday) From: Horning.pa Subject: Re: Butler/Interdoc In-reply-to: Ayers' message of 8-Feb-82 11:40:54 PST (Monday) To: Ayers cc: Mitchell, Lampson "My initial take is to make the TWG meeting some time OTHER than 1-3 -- that is separate from an intimate chat with BWL. Do you agree?" Yes. Jim H. *start* 00677 00114 US gvMsgID: Bhushan.WBST $ 3#14@ 8-Feb-82 13:28:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 8 Feb. 1982 4:28 pm EST (Monday) From: Bhushan.WBST Subject: Re: Distribution Lists for System Integration Standards Activities In-reply-to: Your message of 8 Feb. 1982 9:42 am PST (Monday) To: Mitchell.PA cc: Bhushan Jim, Sorry, the list wasn't there. Charles Irby told me 2 weeks ago that he was creating one "immediately". I have messaged him again. I will follow-up on it and see to it that this is done (I want Charles to maintain the list as I will no longer be the Subcommittee secretary after next month). Thanks for letting me know. Abhay *start* 00965 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.PA $ 3#14@18-Feb-82 19:14:37 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 18-Feb-82 19:14:37 PST (Thursday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: Re: Font Standards Discussion In-reply-to: Mitchell's message of 18 Feb. 1982 4:19 pm PST (Thursday) To: Mitchell, Linden cc: Zack.wbst, Irby, Ayers, Horning A meta-comment on your interesting font discussion with Mr. Zack: There is a standards effort, separate from Interpress and separate from InterDoc, on "font naming". Rather than either the Interpress gang or the InterDoc gang attempting an "end run", I suggest that all interested parties communicate with Ted Linden, who has the job (am I right, Ted?) of seeing the font naming thru the SISB. As a member of the InterDoc gang, my current position is that InterDoc scripts name fonts according to the standard that the SISB develops and publishes, appropriately considering the InterDoc syntax. Bob *start* 00608 00113 US gvMsgID: Mitchell.PA $ 3#14@19-Feb-82 10:46:00 PST Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 19 Feb. 1982 10:46 am PST (Friday) From: Mitchell.PA Subject: Re: Font Standards Discussion In-reply-to: Ayers' message of 18-Feb-82 19:14:37 PST (Thursday) To: Ayers cc: Mitchell, Linden, Zack.wbst, Irby, Horning Oops! I thought that Mr. Zack was part of that font naming effort. We should probably send our collected responses to whomever is in charge of that. I seem to recall that Liz Bond in PSD is the person. Is that right Ted? Does anyone know her internet address? Jim M. *start* 00599 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.PA $ 3#14@26-Apr-82 10:04:45 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 26-Apr-82 10:04:45 PDT (Monday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: Subcommittee on "Document Model"s To: InterDoc Scocc McGregor and Gael Curry have formed a mini-committee to investigate and define a "document model" [i.e. a chapter is composed of pargraphs; paragraphs are a sequence of ..] for the InterDoc TWG. They will be formulating things this week and are looking for an additional person to exchange ideas with. Volunteers, please get in touch with McGregor.pa and GCurry.es. Bob *start* 00973 00109 US gvMsgID: irby.pa $ 3#14@26-Apr-82 18:23:55 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 26-Apr-82 18:23:55 PDT (Monday) From: irby.pa Subject: INTERDOC SUBCOMITTEE MEETING MAY 5TH To: DocStandards^ cc: JMoyer Reply-to: Irby, JMoyer Since there were no negative replies to my earlier message, the next Interdoc Subcommittee meeting will be on May 5th in Palo Alto, Bayhill building, room 200P from 9:00 until mid-afternoon. Lunch will be provided. The topics to be covered are: Technical Working Group report on Extensions to the formal language, position on rendering, and semantics of paragraphs Report on ANSI and ISO standards work in this area (I am trying to get Roy Pierce to attend to help with this part). Discuss Schedule for delivery of version 1.0 of the Interdoc Standard to the SISB. Discuss External Standards Strategy Discuss advantages/disadvantages of hosting ISO meeting in Palo Alto in June/July. -- Charles. *start* 00561 00112 US gvMsgID: Horning.pa $ 3#14@12-May-82 16:09:00 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 12 May 1982 4:09 pm PDT (Wednesday) From: Horning.pa Subject: Re: Interdoc (Interscript?) Vernacular In-reply-to: Johnston.DLOS's message of 12 May 1982 1:32 pm CDT (Wednesday) To: Johnston.DLOS cc: Interdoc Werner, This should show up in last Friday's minutes: Interdoc -> Interscript Transcribe -> Externalize Render -> Internalize Mark -> Tag I think there was one more term agreed to, but I don't remember it at the moment. Jim H. *start* 00443 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.PA $ 3#14@27-May-82 19:03:29 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 27-May-82 19:03:29 PDT (Thursday) From: Ayers.PA Subject: InterDoc Meeting 100G Bayhill 9:00 Friday 28 May To: Interdoc Agenda: Continuation of discussion of document modelling. Gael and I will make some half-baked proposals along the lines of Mitchell's previous MARKUP$ LAYOUT$ CONTENT$ suggesions. Bob *start* 00692 00111 US gvMsgID: GCurry.ES $ 3#14@29-Jun-82 15:11:26 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 29-Jun-82 15:11:26 PDT (Tuesday) From: GCurry.ES Subject: Document Models? To: Mitchell.pa cc: McGregor.pa, Horning.pa, GCurry Jim, I am trying to write down some of the decisions pertaining to document models which we have made, but I would like to have a chance to talk with you before the InterScript meeting this Friday. I am planning to be in PA on Thursday as well as Friday. Scott and I will meet in the morning to talk about the specifics of generic boxes. I was hoping we could meet in the afternoon to go over things in general. Do you have time then? Gael *start* 01566 00112 US gvMsgID: Karlton.PA $ 3#14@23-Jul-82 11:33:13 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 23-Jul-82 11:33:13 PDT (Friday) From: Karlton.PA Subject: Interscript TWG meeting of Friday, 16 July To: Interdoc We had a short(?) meeting at which the subcommittees reported their progress. The implementation group reported no progress on the parser, but Jim Mitchell will send a copy of the grammar to Karlton over the weekend and he will start doing working on the parser. The 820 group now has a PASCAL compiler. They have contracted with Bill Duvall to build a "crummy, dirty" editor in C that they will interface to. It was decided that interacting with Word-Star was too messy. A point was raised questioning whether SDD should continue working on an 820 based editor considering the reorganization into OSD and OPD that has recently taken place. The document modelling group reported that they decided to start freezing things so that progress can begin on pinning down some details on the semantics of those items about which there was a consensus. A request was made that someone show how bold, italic and paragraph margins would end up looking. It was explained that boldness would probably be related to some weight associated with a font and that italic would be indicated by the value assigned to the slant. Paragraph margins were a little less clear. [At this point there was a slight bit of contention about what was agreed to so far.] There was a call for example scripts, and Jean-Marie has volunteered to gather some. PK *start* 00352 00110 US gvMsgID: Ayers.pa $ 3#14@30-Jul-82 17:05:03 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 30-Jul-82 17:05:03 PDT (Friday) From: Ayers.pa Subject: OS 5.0 Feature List Suggestion To: Kimball cc: Interscript The Star workstation embraces and supports the Xerox Interscript Standard, outputting and inputting standard scripts. *start* 00598 00113 US gvMsgID: mitchell.PA $ 3#14@31-Aug-82 14:58:00 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 31 Aug. 1982 2:58 pm PDT (Tuesday) From: mitchell.PA Subject: fire drill - InterScript definition To: Taylor cc: Quinlan, Mitchell, Horning Interscript is a project to define a digital representation of editable documents for exchange among different editing systems with different capabilities. Interscript will enable Xerox to develop a wide range of compatible document editing systems, containing everything from simple text to graphics or audio information. Jim Mitchell *start* 00586 00113 US gvMsgID: Mitchell.PA $ 3#14@31-Aug-82 17:29:00 PDT Categories: interscript-t-feb82-aug82 Date: 31 Aug. 1982 5:29 pm PDT (Tuesday) From: Mitchell.PA Subject: The August document To: Interscript cc: Mitchell This message announces the availability of version 1.3 of the document "Towards an Interchange Standard for Editable Documents" by Jim Mitchell (Mitchell.pa) and Jim Horning (Horning.pa) It resides as a press file on [Indigo]Aug82>Interscript-Aug82.press Your comments and corrections are earnestly solicited. Thank you, Jim Mitchell